Brian Myers on His Entrance Themes Over The Years and The Impact Of Wrestling Entrance Themes

I'm realizing, man, I've been really blessed because like to come out the edges song and

your guys theme for me and the system theme, you know, it's been pretty cool.

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when the first time I was on the Indies, I would have to like, make it a point, like, do

not play.

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Like, I just didn't want to hear like disciple or I didn't want to be the guy who I

thought like, when am going to be like in my edge tights doing like

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Indie shows until I'm 50, whatever.

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I didn't want to be that guy.

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I wanted to keep going and keep reinventing and keep moving.

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So like, if I forgot to tell them to play that and they played that, I'd be behind the

curtain like, shit.

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And that was always on me, right?

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That's my fault.

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I forgot.

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But now it's like, you almost can't make that mistake.

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If you play the system song, I'm happy.

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If you play the ride, I'm happy.

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You can't really make me cringe around the curtain anymore because there's so many good

options.

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It's time once again for another episode of the Ropes and Riffs podcast.

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I am Jon, I am your resident entrance theme song composer.

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And this is actually kind of an interesting interview because the first guest I ever

actually recorded for the show was Brian Myers, who, for many of you who may know, I

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worked with It Lives It Breathes to create his theme, The Ride, that you hear in TNA, as

well as worked with Downstate.

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for the major players theme that he does when he tag teams with one Matt Cardona.

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as the show started and I went to go release that episode, the episode had what we call in

the tech world, technical issues.

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I'm gonna blame the technology for this, that episode is up in the ether somewhere.

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There's parts and fragments of it, but it is out there now.

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But Brian was awesome enough to say, you know what, let's go ahead and hop on another one

and let's deliver another interview for you.

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So this is version two of the Brian Myers episode one year later.

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Brian and I talk all about the different themes he's had over time, how he talks to his

creative pro students at the wrestling school that he runs.

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about how to think about entrance themes and what that looks like.

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And also he takes us through his entire journey of entrance themes all the way from then

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As always, Brian tackles the Music City Rumble where he gets to pit musician against

musician in one men's singles match, one women's singles match, and one tag team match

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where the musicians pit it out in the squared circle.

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And then we also asked Brian Myers what the songs that would define him as a person would

be and what he would throw on that playlist.

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So I hope you enjoy this episode with Brian Myers.

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This is one of the episodes that means the most to me because again, he was the first

person who we recorded for this,

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But also, Brian's theme, The Ride, was one of the first themes that I think, for me, ended

up making it into the mainstream.

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And Brian's been a favorite of mine for years, even before I got to use, even before he

and I, even before we wrote his theme.

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So for me, this one's a really special interview for me, and I hope you enjoy it.

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And without any further ado, here's my interview with Brian Myers.

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You know him by many names.

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You know him from the podcast.

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You know him from everything because he's been everywhere and has done everything.

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My guest today is the one and only Brian Myers.

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Thank you for hanging out with us today.

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And it's funny too, because I introduce you like this now, although you were the first

person to ever come on the show, but then your boy turned around and said, Hey, technical

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problems.

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I'll let happen.

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And you were cool enough to come right back in.

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So thank you again.

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files, yeah, the world will never know.

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Watch, we're going to record this, and then the files are just going to pop up.

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They're going to be like, surprise.

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Then we'll have a part one and a part two or something like that.

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I love it.

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You've been doing so much.

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Everybody knows where you've been, what you've been up to with TNA, with the podcast, with

everything that you've been doing, everything with the system.

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As we're talking about entrance themes, we're going to talk all about what we've worked on

together.

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One thing that you have

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a lot of has been entrance themes over the years, both as Brian Myers, as part of the

system, as part of the edge heads, Curt Hawkins, all of these things that encapsulate your

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career.

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You've had a lot of different entrance themes.

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And so before we even get into the ride, before we get into the theme for the system and

major players and all that for you, what are some of the most important things in an

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entrance theme for any wrestler?

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I think it's just the immediacy of the crowd getting excited to see you walk through that

curtain.

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Right.

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So I think like the ultimate example is obviously the glass breaking and stone cold, you

know, set the tone, get the pop, right.

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think anything that's kind of too slow into that is, you know, not doing your character

justice or the moment justice.

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Um, and I think.

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Another thing that's gotta be acknowledged is in modern times, I think our perception of

that is also skewed with trons and stuff.

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Cause I don't think like, you know, let's say Shawn Michaels per se, like, you know, the,

uh, that doesn't get the pop as much as the H B K and the screen, like then the reaction

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comes.

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So I think a lot of it is equally important would be probably that kind of representation.

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I mean, I've seen plenty of like,

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songs, everyone is this.

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And until it says the name, right.

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Then people, then they react.

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almost the song becomes like, unfortunately, like secondary, but I mean, then ultimately

the goal is to be so over with the crowd that they're anticipating seeing you in the first

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place in your song, uh, gets said reaction.

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And it's funny too that you bring that up because you're not just even talking about the

entrance thing at that point, right?

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You're talking about the whole package, the whole production.

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And, you know, I think everybody goes back to the stone cold glass breaking because it's

one of the most iconic things that the rocks, if you spell whatever the case, right?

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And, you know, I think at that time you had such a golden age of, and this may be a

controversial take, this may not be, but I think the fact of WWF being so big back then

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and all of a sudden having all of this

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crazy production coupled with the characters, coupled with the music.

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It's like we remember those entrance themes so fondly, but you also remember the whole

package, right?

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You remember like most of the time you were seeing it all together at that point.

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I don't know what it is and maybe it is just very biased for our age, but the music was

just so much more memorable than it is nowadays.

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And I don't know what it is or what's going on, but very few uh entrance themes these days

on that, in the WV at least, do I think are like, wow, know, here comes this guy.

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It's just not like that.

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I don't know what the disconnect is.

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I think a lot of it has to do, and this is something that, you know, having a lot of

people on the pod and entrance themes, composers and wrestlers.

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One thing that I was thinking about was it might have to do with how much TV there is

right now and how much wrestling there is.

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You know, it's not to say that I want any less, obviously.

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You you guys do amazing work and all this, but I think there's an argument to also be made

that there's so much out there, right?

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Everybody needs music everybody now could be on YouTube or on Triller or whatever the case

may be whatever you kids are streaming on nowadays But like there's so much need for it

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that it's like back then you had one dead guy you had the undertaker and then maybe you

had something else, know in like WCW or whatnot of these places or Overseas but it's like

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cool.

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How many undead characters you got now?

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you know what I mean, like there's there's so many and

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You're not gonna give Shawn Michaels theme to Abaddon.

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I love Abaddon to death, but you're not gonna do that.

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You know, so there's kind of like a here's what you can do and here's what won't make

sense or you you kind of get what I'm saying.

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Like there's a difference in like, yeah.

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say if that was argument A to this, would say argument B would be people giving up on the

songs and changing too frequently and quickly before they become something memorable.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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the character, right?

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Instead of just saying, hey, this isn't resonating, this isn't working, take the character

somewhere, take the arc a little bit further.

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So we're talking...

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never like never changed Finn Ballard's music ever.

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It's like almost criminal, you know.

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doesn't count the fact that it's kind of ish now.

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be the same character and have that song.

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don't know, you know, could be healed, baby, whatever, but man, it's crazy to me.

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Yeah, that was one of like the king CFO themes, right?

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That was like, he came in.

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Yeah, I love that.

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the time.

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Like, you know, WWE is making a lot of money, they're doing a lot of wonderful things.

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Triple H needs to get on that jet and find the CFOs and make make up because their run was

to first off the impossibility of replacing Jim Johnson, right?

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But they were like doing it.

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They had they had like a couple like unbelievable years of like putting out memorable

music and like for whatever reason, whatever happened, I have no clue why they

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You know, walked away or whatever, you know, business went down, but man, we, Hunter's got

to on that jet and get them back.

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Apologize, figure out what the hell it needs to be because whatever's going on now, it's

just not, this is not the same.

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They're not making memorable stuff.

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I was like, who, what?

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I don't even remember the new, what's the new company.

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They get a lot of flack at the internet.

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Def rebel.

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Like def rebel made that one like Romans, the song, and I don't know if they like

exhausted themselves created creatively in that one banger.

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And then that was it.

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Like nothing else is like up to par, in my opinion.

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Like it's just not working.

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Like it's very interesting.

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But you know what, I'm gonna also dive in for a second on that because apparently there

was an interview with Roman months before that theme came out and he's like, yeah, we're

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working on something.

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Like something's coming down the pipeline, it's great.

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But the word there was months, right?

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The word there was you got the time to work on it and figure out who the character is and

what we're doing.

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And um yeah.

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to be the case in wrestling.

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that's like, so if you're going to do that job, you got to figure out.

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Also, I think I could be wrong, but see the CFOs had stuff because people were picking

from it because I know like Robbie Roode's music wasn't supposed to be his or AJ Styles

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song was actually written for James Storm.

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They wound up not using it like things like that.

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I know.

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So there's a couple of situations where happy accidents definitely happen along the way,

but still.

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Yeah.

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And something now that we're talking about all these different entrance themes.

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So I know that we talked about yesteryear, right?

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We talked about all these awesome themes from when we were both young and coming up and

all that.

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And like, you know, for all of that, for the modern wrestlers, obviously you're going to

say your theme, you're going to say Matt Cardona.

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So I'm going to pull those out for a second.

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Right.

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So for you in 2025, going into 2026, who do you think have some of the best entrance

themes in pro wrestling?

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Well, like Romans for sure.

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think that's just so epic.

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It's, um, and fits and just feels like makes it makes it feel so important when it comes.

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mean, I could cheat here and use my workout playlist because I use, I use wrestling songs

kind of like as a motivation for me in the gym.

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Kind of like a, am I doing this in the first place?

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You know, I don't really, uh, over the years I haven't really, uh

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I feel like working out is part of my job, right?

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So it's hard for me to find the peace of mind, I guess, when I'm doing it.

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Like I think a person who doesn't have to work out for their job, know, to me it feels

like, like I'm checking emails or something when I'm working out.

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it's like, I have to do this or else not I'm doing this for the benefit of my health,

which one day, you know, maybe that will, you know, flip flop.

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I can see right here.

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Okay.

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So the newest.

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Wrestling song on my workout playlist is, uh, with a smile, Ethan page, which is a death

rebel, which is a good song.

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And I know because we're good friends and he probably doesn't want me to say this.

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This was like a long thing of him saying no to other things and to redo it, you know, as a

good back and forth to get it right.

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And I think they nailed it.

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I think it's a very fun theme.

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His is great, yeah.

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Um, and then the other one I have, and just, just from working with him, a bunch of his

obfemies hands of fate, which is another death realm, which just has a good, like, it's

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very simple.

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Let's put it that way, but it gets the job done.

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But also, like you said from the presentation, think about how he comes to the ring.

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That guy is a monster, and all that implies.

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And for as much as we were dogging DefRebel for a second, you need two DefRebel songs that

were awesome.

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And Ethan Page also is somebody who I would love to have him on the show.

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I'd love to have a conversation with him.

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But he's somebody that you can tell throughout his career, has really tried to figure out

who his character is at the time, who he is, what he is, and all of that.

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And to be able to...

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be coming into NXT and just be like, yeah, that theme doesn't work for me, dude.

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And then all of a sudden get the one that he gets like that's that's awesome.

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That's knowing who you are.

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to every performer, man.

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It's part of your presentation.

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It's part of your package.

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Like we were talking today.

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It's part of how you're going to be remembered.

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When we won the tag titles at WrestleMania, Broski and I really didn't have a theme

because we were using mine or his, and we asked for a new one.

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And then like the absolute dog shit that was presented to us was like mind blowing.

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And we picked like the least shitty one out of the six.

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Yeah.

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then we said, this is fine for now, but let's figure this out.

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And we never figured it out.

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And I do, I think it like detoured our like run.

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Cause this, this song was so bad that like it would, and no one knew it was us coming out.

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And it would like, killed our, you know, how do you go from WrestleMania again?

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This huge reaction when the tag time I said, no reaction.

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Well, you change your song and no one knows the fuck you are coming out.

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And it just, it just, I think it really killed our run, uh, pretty quickly.

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Cause it was just like sucking the energy out of buildings, man.

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We especially live events where you don't have like the Tron.

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you know, capabilities and stuff.

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It was just brutal.

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And we were constantly asking to change it and it just never got done.

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Um, and I, like I said,

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at one point, didn't you?

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think you guys, before they had like whatever theme they give you, I think you guys did a

little bit of a mashup, I think too.

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Yeah.

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that though, but it just, it was like super unfortunate.

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And we try, we were just, I think too low on the totem pole to really complain and, know,

get our way.

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But man, it was, it was rough.

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And what we really did, what we asked for was our Hawkins writer song, by Disciple from

back in the day.

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And they said they didn't have a good enough, sound quality of it.

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Cause it was an old recording.

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wow.

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So we couldn't do that.

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So that was like, was our initial quick fix.

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Like, well, why don't we just do that?

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This is ridiculous.

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And that was our reason why they said we couldn't do that.

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That's crazy though when you think about it because there are so many songs over time.

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Like again, Shawn Michaels theme hasn't been, you know, redone over the years.

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it has to have been though, or something.

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Some remastered in some form because it makes me wonder like, why didn't Shelton get his

song when he came back?

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Why didn't Carlito get his song?

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Things that are really memorable and would have helped with the presentation of these

guys, they didn't get them.

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And I'm thinking it's probably along the same lines.

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I don't know John Morrison had the same.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I know that little intro thing.

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He might've, cause I know that they still did like the slow down thing, like in his intro,

but that's an interesting point that you bring up too.

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Like there's so many over time and maybe some had the remaster, but it's interesting too.

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And you guys had the one from the edge heads when you guys were the edge heads, right?

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And then, right.

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That one was sick, man.

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That was, that was an awesome one.

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That's an underrated.

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just showed up.

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I mean, we did have a talk with Kevin Dunn where we said, hey, we'd like like a cool song

or whatever.

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And he came through and we were excited about that.

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And then we wound up being on like the album and stuff.

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It's pretty cool.

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Was that one where you had a conversation at all with Jim on that or was that more like,

Hey, here's the direction and you're handed the song and you better like it.

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they had like, we were with Edge.

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So obviously, I mean, to this day, I got goosebumps hearing Metalink is like, you know, I

mean, to come out with him to that is one of the coolest things ever.

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But if we ever did a match when he wasn't there, they had like generic theme number 47 for

us, which was brutal.

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So we very quickly, know, Matt and I are music marks, you know, so we quickly were like,

okay, this sucks.

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And we were very green and early in our careers and we weren't getting very

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good answers from people we were asking.

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And then we were just like, you know what?

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Fuck it.

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Like let's knock on the truck and talk to Kevin Dunn ourselves.

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And we did.

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We'd marched in there.

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We had a great talk with him.

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I remember we brought, we were really dating ourselves.

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I think we had my iPad, I mean, iPod, sorry.

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And we were like playing him songs that we'd like it to sound like, you know, or something

cool, you know, gritty.

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And, you know, to his credit, something happened that day because like we got that

Disciple song and we got on the album and, you know, we had a pretty cool song.

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I love hearing that too, that you had at least some level of, hey, here are the songs,

here are the references, here we go.

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Cause I hear a lot of the times where there are wrestlers who it's just like, Hey, I just

had Maven on the show and Maven's just like, I heard my theme as soon as everybody else

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heard it.

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I heard a song.

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Does it really?

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Wow.

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That's crazy to think too, but it's awesome that you guys at least were able to say, Hey,

here's some music that we want it in the vein of and let's, let's run on that.

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And then you came back.

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to WWE years later and then you had, it's not, wasn't called Face the Facts, I don't

think, but I know that last time you were on, were like, Hey, Face the Facts wasn't a

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thing of mine, but like you had a song that had that in the intro and then that was kind

of a dope one too.

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Was that another conversation of like, Hey, here's a song walk out and let's see what

happens.

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yeah, so I'm, probably told this story last time and I don't think I've really told it

publicly.

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So I'll say it again.

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I get rehired and I'm in the process of like, I I don't think I've even been to a TV yet.

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You know, I did the thing where they fly you to Pittsburgh and you get all the medical

stuff taken care of.

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And I'm waiting to get my first like dates or whatever.

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And, um, unfortunately my sister-in-law's father passed away and I was driving up to

Syracuse by myself to meet the rest of my family to go to his funeral and stuff.

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And I get this call from a 203 number.

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So I know I've just been hired.

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It's gotta be somebody from the office or something.

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So I answered it.

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It's like, Hey, is this Kurt Hawkins?

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He yes, Jim Johnson.

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So I've never had a rapport with him the whole first time.

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He's not somebody who came to televisions or whatever.

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I met him in the tower, like in passing, like a handshake here, there in South studio.

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And that's about it.

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So we have this almost like hour long talk about what

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I envisioned this new Kurt Hawkins theme to be, and he's been assigned to it.

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He wanted to pick my brain.

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I was telling him about some of my favorite themes that he'd done over the years.

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Like my, my number one, think is my, uh, my time, you know, Triple H and China,

technically.

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Um, you know, I was like telling him the on back of this new thing.

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then, you know, I wanted this fresh start and I need a kickass theme like that.

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And we had this incredible talk and I'm like, very excited.

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Like, shit, this is cool.

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And he's going to get to work on this song for me.

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That's going to be pretty epic.

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And then, he got like, let go within like the month, I want to say.

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So that song, that song never came to be.

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And I was like, boy.

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then kind of same as anybody.

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I heard the CFO one like in guerrillas, you know, as everyone else heard it, you know, for

the first time, which I, and I can't, the problem is that song's like, it's not bad.

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It's not great.

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But also I had these, these unbelievable expectations that I'm going to get this Jim

Johnson original banger written for me.

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So for a song with no lyrics or whatever, it just wasn't special enough for what I was

looking forward to.

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That's all I got to say.

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That's crazy though.

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And I don't, the one thing I don't think you brought up last time was the fact that you

were kind of like in this conversation with him and then Jim Johnson gets let go.

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And then it's like, what happens to all this stuff?

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I know, and right away when I remember seeing that headline, I went, oh no, there's no way

he wrote this song in that amount of time.

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It was that quick.

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That's crazy.

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That's kind of like when I had Dijak on the show, he was like, I think I was one of the

last CFO themes that came down the pipeline before DefRebel.

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It's like you never know because all you see are the headlines, right?

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You don't know who's affected on the back.

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right?

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It's way, it's not something, trust me, don't bring it up to the locker room.

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You know, what's going on there.

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That's so crazy.

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And then, you know, you're doing everything outside of WWE.

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And then all of a sudden, we get to work together, myself and the boys, and it lives it

breathes.

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You guys start working together and then Kevin from it lives it breathes says, Hey, you're

going to be stunt guitar on this one and we want to write it together.

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And for me, I've told this before, you know, not just in our conversations, but to ever to

anyone who will listen.

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Like man, that theme always meant so much to me too, for a bunch of reasons.

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Number one, you're one of my wrestlers of all time, right?

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I'm just like, this is one of the guys who, if I could choose a roster of people to work

with, is one of them.

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Second, being able to be that young into my career of the entrance themes and being like,

all right, cool, guess what?

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You worked here, here, and now we're gonna be jamming something out for Brian Myers.

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And then hearing like one of the text messages that went through.

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was Kevin's like, yo, you got to see this and you're, and it's you being like, yo, I'm

jamming this in my car and I fucking love it.

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And I'm like, dude, that's like, that's the coolest affirmation in the world to be like

Brian Meyers like it.

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Let's go.

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Yeah, that was, um, shout out to Johnny clash from my day one wrestling students at

creative row wrestling.

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It's funny.

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Like it's funny how much the landscape changed between two firings, you know, cause

people, the first time I was like, nobody had a custom song.

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You see dub style pick something off the radio or whatever.

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know I mean?

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Or anything, you know, know, licensed music and that's what everyone did.

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And then here I am, you know, four years later back in the Indies and it's like, Oh no,

people want it.

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You know, everything's streamed and people won't air this.

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And I knew I was going to be going to TNA and I needed a, you know, needed a song.

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And I didn't really want to put that in their hands because why would I?

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And I was like, okay, cool.

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And Johnny Clash introduced me to those guys and you and man, like, I know that first cut

I got was like no lyrics and I would just drive it.

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was summertime of 2020 and I would drive around my town, run my errands and I would play

it so fucking loud.

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just to like get a feel for it with the windows down.

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And I remember just wanting to go like, shit, this is it.

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Like they're onto something.

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And then the first cut with the lyrics, it came to me while I was at TNA and like they

literally had to play it that day at the taping, you know, where I was gonna debut.

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And I remember walking around with my headphones backstage playing and like literally like

with chills, you know, with the lyrics and stuff, how, uh

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Just, was perfect.

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It was perfect.

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uh I mean, every disappointment I had in that last Jim Johnson story, this has superseded

all those expectations.

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Almost like that Jim Johnson thing happened to me for this to exist.

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You know what mean?

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The disappointment of that for this to supersede my expectations.

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Just an epic, epic ballad.

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This is the superhero redemption arc is what you're trying to say.

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And I love the lyrics too, because you know, cashed a lot of checks, took a lot of hits,

made my rounds like a weekend warrior.

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Like I'm looking the lyrics up while we're talking here, right?

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It's just for me, when I read these lyrics too, and when I was sent the lyrics, cause I, I

worked on the music side, obviously.

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And then Kevin throws all these lyrics and Kevin's a great lyricist.

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But for me, one of my weaknesses as a composer has always been lyrics, cause I'm

instrumental first.

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And I'm just like.

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You painted this picture of Brian Myers being like the most epic wrestler while telling

this full story.

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And I think working on your theme, was such an eye opener of there are instrumental themes

over time that really hit and are really good.

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And even a lot of them that I make, but I think that if you can really nail down the

lyrics for somebody, it makes it that much more personal and it's got to make it even more

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enveloping for you too.

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And it's back to what we do.

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We tell stories in the ring.

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The song is telling a story that's only helping enhance the experience of seeing my

character, right?

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It goes hand in hand.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And then we got another opportunity to jam together with the major players theme.

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Again, Matt Cardona is talking to Downstate.

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Downstate's like, hey, you worked on Brian Myers theme.

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It'd be real cool if we had some like synergy going on there.

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And that one, I'll always talk to their singer.

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And I'm always just like, man, that's such a banger of a theme.

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And he's just like, that's one of the themes that like people really dig.

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But

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Even to him, he's like, that's one of my underrated themes of all time that I was part of.

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Yeah.

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all time and then Matt and I will still tag and people will get to hear it, which is the

cool thing about it, right?

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You know, it's going to live on, but man, like that theme is awesome.

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Holy shit.

393

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And that was more like, I don't have much backstory to that other than Matt saying like,

Hey, put these guys in touch with each other.

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They're going to do something.

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And I was like, Holy shit.

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And it's another thing, you know, like we took it into our own hands.

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We didn't let TNA do it.

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You know, we knew we had these bookings and

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We wanted to have it and actually we have a major players book and coming up and I'm

excited to hear it.

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And actually I have a very funny story.

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We just tagged.

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We did a charity show here in my town, uh, to raise money for the little league.

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And we brought in the Dudley boys and Matt and, uh, Devon, it was a week before Bound for

Glory.

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So obviously I don't think he was going to take the risk of even wrestling before his last

match.

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So Devon was our manager and it was a six man tag and it was me, Bubba and Matt.

406

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So I was thinking of entrance wise and said, okay, what if I come out?

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to my song, Matt comes out to his song, and before the Dudley's come, which is gonna get

the biggest pop, we'll meet right there at the top of the stage, and then major players

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will come to the ring to that.

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So you get a little taste of all three if you really know, right?

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00:26:59,093 --> 00:27:10,616

And I thought that was fun, I told my sound guy, and I said, you have the major players

theme, and I think this goes to show you how low-key underrated the song is, that not a

411

00:27:10,616 --> 00:27:13,487

lot of people even realize that we have this major players theme.

412

00:27:13,833 --> 00:27:23,293

My student who runs the sound downloaded the Hawkins and Ryder song that I hate, like

generic theme number 47.

413

00:27:23,893 --> 00:27:30,193

So it like kicks in and like at first, I mean, I'm having like flashbacks of like just how

much I hate it coming out of that song.

414

00:27:30,193 --> 00:27:37,653

And I'm like, oh, so I'm like looking around like, well, someone's playing a joke on Matt

and I like, they did this like on purpose or whatever, looking around and then I just

415

00:27:37,653 --> 00:27:40,493

realized he just, it was an honest, complete fuck up.

416

00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:42,113

And I was like, dude, what are you doing?

417

00:27:42,113 --> 00:27:43,104

We have like a.

418

00:27:43,526 --> 00:27:54,762

downstate banger I wanted you to play and you told me you had like I should have been more

detailed with him but I just assumed he had but and Matt and Matt was Matt was mad I was

419

00:27:54,762 --> 00:28:02,851

like oh I was like we're being ribbed and I'm like looking around I realized you know what

this is just a legit fuck up but it was what it was

420

00:28:02,851 --> 00:28:07,172

I'm just envisioning to like a happy Gilmore style thing where you're just looking over.

421

00:28:07,172 --> 00:28:08,366

You're like, what?

422

00:28:08,366 --> 00:28:09,368

And he's just like,

423

00:28:09,368 --> 00:28:10,888

Like, what is happening?

424

00:28:10,888 --> 00:28:11,748

Yeah.

425

00:28:12,148 --> 00:28:22,303

Luckily, you know, like I said, the Dudley boys were soon to come and got Epic Pop, but

oh, just hearing that song again was like, oh man, brought back bad memories.

426

00:28:22,303 --> 00:28:31,140

But you also brought up something interesting because everyone knows about Create a Pro

and the work that you do and by the way, massive shout out to the work that you've done

427

00:28:31,140 --> 00:28:31,390

there.

428

00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:39,586

It's just unbelievable the students that have come out of there, unbelievable the work you

continue to do and you're doing just amazing things for the wrestling industry with that.

429

00:28:39,586 --> 00:28:42,438

You know that I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

430

00:28:42,438 --> 00:28:47,604

But you you're teaching them everything from the in-ring to the promos to...

431

00:28:47,604 --> 00:28:50,418

you know, just everything about the industry.

432

00:28:50,418 --> 00:28:55,024

And for you when it comes to entrance music, are you also having those conversations with

talent?

433

00:28:55,024 --> 00:28:57,027

Like, hey, think about your entrance theme.

434

00:28:57,027 --> 00:29:02,344

What does the entrance theme conversation look like with the wrestlers and your students?

435

00:29:02,344 --> 00:29:04,904

It's funny to kind of echo what I had previously said.

436

00:29:04,904 --> 00:29:10,744

It's changed in the, you creative pros were open 11 years, going to be 12 next year, uh,

coming up.

437

00:29:10,744 --> 00:29:21,104

like when it first started, I was very hands on with, you know, developing these

characters of the students and putting a song with them that I thought was appropriate or

438

00:29:21,104 --> 00:29:23,964

it'd be, you know, ear catching, whatever.

439

00:29:24,584 --> 00:29:25,944

And that would make sense.

440

00:29:25,944 --> 00:29:29,684

Now my advice is like, I really can't do anything to help you.

441

00:29:29,684 --> 00:29:32,243

You need to find someone and find us.

442

00:29:32,243 --> 00:29:42,476

theme that's yours that you own that can be played anywhere because if any opportunities

arise for you, you have to be ready to do that or, and, there's no sense in getting a

443

00:29:42,716 --> 00:29:46,128

radio hit over because you don't own it and you can only take it so far.

444

00:29:46,128 --> 00:29:54,150

You know, so I just, my modern day advice on that is like the sooner the better to get a,

a custom theme that you own.

445

00:29:54,386 --> 00:29:58,889

I would be remiss if I didn't talk about Leo Sparrow too, cause I've worked on a theme for

him.

446

00:29:58,889 --> 00:30:00,189

That theme was fun too.

447

00:30:00,189 --> 00:30:09,875

And it's like, you talk about characters and you know, before I had gotten to work with

him, hadn't really known who he was, but that he's like, yeah, here's my total character,

448

00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:13,557

vegan thing, vegetarian, all of that got lettuce.

449

00:30:13,557 --> 00:30:16,778

I'm throwing it to people in the ring and all of this kind of stuff.

450

00:30:16,778 --> 00:30:17,859

Number one, he's just awesome.

451

00:30:17,859 --> 00:30:22,281

Number two, I remember talking to Montese who I got on that track and he's like, all

right, cool.

452

00:30:22,281 --> 00:30:23,496

Who's the character?

453

00:30:23,496 --> 00:30:25,978

And I'm literally laying this whole thing out for him.

454

00:30:25,978 --> 00:30:29,266

And he's just like, I gotta rap about lettuce.

455

00:30:29,266 --> 00:30:30,421

I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

456

00:30:30,421 --> 00:30:31,691

You gotta rap about lettuce.

457

00:30:31,691 --> 00:30:32,252

Figure it out.

458

00:30:32,252 --> 00:30:33,993

Son of the sun, let's make it happen.

459

00:30:33,993 --> 00:30:35,900

And that one turned out to be a banger.

460

00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:37,920

so it came full circle there.

461

00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:49,120

Other Creative Pro shout out while we're at it is, just by chance, luckily we had Max

Castor as alumni and he is a legitimate rap artist and he made a lot of people's themes

462

00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,220

and helped out in a big way with making beats for people and things like that.

463

00:30:53,420 --> 00:30:58,208

So always cool that it's all organic and in-house at Creative Pro.

464

00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:58,860

I love that.

465

00:30:58,860 --> 00:31:01,952

And the fact that you have so much of that talent coming through too.

466

00:31:01,952 --> 00:31:05,034

And it's just like, you don't know who has that talent.

467

00:31:05,034 --> 00:31:06,335

You don't know who to go to.

468

00:31:06,335 --> 00:31:09,597

But now there's a good few of us who are able to do it.

469

00:31:09,597 --> 00:31:14,059

can even have like, this just, it's just such an awesome time to be a wrestler in my

opinion.

470

00:31:14,059 --> 00:31:17,862

But it's even for people looking to do entrance themes and get entrance themes.

471

00:31:17,862 --> 00:31:21,984

There's a lot of places to go for that too, which I think is really cool.

472

00:31:21,984 --> 00:31:24,980

And then we'll talk about real quick, the system and then we'll get into a.

473

00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:27,853

Couple of things that we do on here as of recently.

474

00:31:27,853 --> 00:31:32,699

The system theme done, Chris Bay, Montesey, awesome banger of a track.

475

00:31:32,699 --> 00:31:33,910

How did that one come to pass?

476

00:31:33,910 --> 00:31:35,291

Because that thing hits hard, man.

477

00:31:35,291 --> 00:31:36,077

That's awesome.

478

00:31:36,077 --> 00:31:37,097

it's so good.

479

00:31:37,097 --> 00:31:46,517

Um, so we've, we had the system song, which was like a free music track that, um, Eric

Tompkins is the guy I gotta give him a shout out behind the scenes of TNA for a long time.

480

00:31:46,517 --> 00:31:47,817

You know, ridiculously talented.

481

00:31:47,817 --> 00:31:54,557

He has a really, really, really good ear for music and placing that on talents and stuff

like that.

482

00:31:54,557 --> 00:32:03,517

So when we debuted the system almost three years ago, he had that track for us and not, he

added the, uh, the horns and the trust the system, which I love cause it's like, they know

483

00:32:03,517 --> 00:32:05,617

we're coming and it's part of the presentation.

484

00:32:05,863 --> 00:32:16,464

And then we had recently it's my anniversary turned baby face and I we all kind of thought

that maybe that something needed to change And moose had been talking to Montesia, I

485

00:32:16,464 --> 00:32:23,024

believe And he had him Really kind of just he had like just a beat is what it was.

486

00:32:23,024 --> 00:32:29,704

It just trust the system trust the system like oh and he Presented it to the team and we

all we all said especially me.

487

00:32:29,704 --> 00:32:35,424

I'm the one who kind of spoke up It was good, but I was like there's something missing

488

00:32:35,568 --> 00:32:40,711

And I said, Hey, what if we asked Bay to rap over this and make it more personalized?

489

00:32:40,711 --> 00:32:46,754

I think that would be like the sentimental TNA touch that this thing is missing.

490

00:32:46,754 --> 00:32:47,574

I.

491

00:32:47,675 --> 00:32:48,895

Compat myself on the back.

492

00:32:48,895 --> 00:32:54,739

I was, you know, obviously nothing to do with it, you know, uh, writing it or anything,

but that idea was it.

493

00:32:54,739 --> 00:32:58,401

And that was, you know, the missing piece and it's, it's really cool.

494

00:32:58,401 --> 00:33:04,466

It's cool to see it on iTunes and hear Bay and you know, like I said, like I said, he

personalized it.

495

00:33:04,466 --> 00:33:06,357

for us, know, we're all mentioned.

496

00:33:06,357 --> 00:33:17,431

um And it's since we've debuted it, it's like each show, the crowd, I can see the, I'm

getting more into it as I come out, like vibe into it.

497

00:33:17,431 --> 00:33:23,013

And I can see the people, you know, vibe into it and, you know, chanting along if you will

with the beat.

498

00:33:23,013 --> 00:33:23,993

It's really cool thing.

499

00:33:23,993 --> 00:33:25,934

And it's been cool to see it grow.

500

00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:33,033

And TZ and Chris are two people that you can literally hand them anything and they make

gold out of anything, just as both people, musicians, whatever you want to call it.

501

00:33:33,033 --> 00:33:33,923

They're just awesome.

502

00:33:33,923 --> 00:33:39,486

And the fact that you have a theme like that for the system, it's hard enough being able

to describe one person, right?

503

00:33:39,486 --> 00:33:41,597

Let alone five in one theme.

504

00:33:41,597 --> 00:33:44,298

And I feel like it's crushed it over time.

505

00:33:44,298 --> 00:33:47,760

And like you said, Chris Bay really just brings it even more too.

506

00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,580

And it's such a cool time.

507

00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:53,222

And the fact that Chris Bay is so integrated with TNA, it's like...

508

00:33:53,222 --> 00:33:58,501

If you know, know, and everybody knows, and just to be able to have them on that track

really shines it up even more.

509

00:33:58,532 --> 00:33:58,872

Yeah.

510

00:33:58,872 --> 00:34:01,102

But I mean, I look like, especially in this conversation,

511

00:34:01,102 --> 00:34:10,138

I'm realizing, man, I've been really blessed because like to come out the edges song and

you know, these, all these, the, you know, your guys theme for me and the system theme,

512

00:34:10,138 --> 00:34:10,978

you know, it's been pretty cool.

513

00:34:10,978 --> 00:34:17,322

It's like when, when the first time I was on the Indies, I would have to like, make it a

point, like, do not play.

514

00:34:17,322 --> 00:34:26,393

Like, I just didn't want to hear like disciple or I didn't want to be the guy who like,

you know, I thought like, when am going to be like in my edge tights doing like

515

00:34:26,393 --> 00:34:28,353

Indie shows until I'm 50, whatever.

516

00:34:28,353 --> 00:34:29,004

I didn't want to be that guy.

517

00:34:29,004 --> 00:34:32,798

I wanted to keep going and keep reinventing and keep, keep moving.

518

00:34:32,798 --> 00:34:37,252

So like, if I forgot to tell them to play that and they played that, I'd be behind the

curtain like, shit.

519

00:34:37,252 --> 00:34:38,402

And that was always on me, right?

520

00:34:38,402 --> 00:34:39,163

That's my fault.

521

00:34:39,163 --> 00:34:40,094

I'm fuck, I forgot.

522

00:34:40,094 --> 00:34:43,817

Like I got too caught up or distracted to make that note.

523

00:34:43,817 --> 00:34:48,070

But now it's like, you almost can't make that mistake.

524

00:34:48,070 --> 00:34:52,135

I mean, obviously that story I just said about my student is the outlier, but

525

00:34:52,135 --> 00:34:53,655

If you play the system song, I'm happy.

526

00:34:53,655 --> 00:34:55,975

If you play the ride, I'm happy.

527

00:34:55,975 --> 00:35:00,335

You can't really make me cringe around the curtain anymore because there's so many good

options.

528

00:35:01,076 --> 00:35:03,688

You've got so many good themes that represent you just over time.

529

00:35:03,688 --> 00:35:05,129

Like you said, it's so sick.

530

00:35:05,129 --> 00:35:06,010

Yeah.

531

00:35:06,010 --> 00:35:17,177

So now we're going to go ahead and do a little music city rumble here where you get the

opportunity to create one singles men's match, one singles women's match and one tag team

532

00:35:17,177 --> 00:35:17,598

match.

533

00:35:17,598 --> 00:35:23,100

And all the wrestlers in the matches are going to be musicians that you pick to duke it

out in the squared circle.

534

00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:23,904

Poof.

535

00:35:24,830 --> 00:35:27,134

Got one of the hardest questions here, my friend.

536

00:35:27,537 --> 00:35:29,472

So let's start with the singles men's match.

537

00:35:29,472 --> 00:35:33,084

Who are the musicians that you're choosing to go one-on-one against each other?

538

00:35:33,084 --> 00:35:40,870

That one's easy because my all-time favorite musician is Tom Petty and my second is Bruce

Springsteen.

539

00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:42,441

So that's right there.

540

00:35:42,441 --> 00:35:44,343

That's Hogan Warrior kind of thing right there.

541

00:35:44,343 --> 00:35:45,874

You got to just do it, right?

542

00:35:45,874 --> 00:35:47,351

It's right there for the taking.

543

00:35:47,351 --> 00:35:49,223

who do you got going over on that one?

544

00:35:49,223 --> 00:35:50,523

Petty, because he's my favorite.

545

00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:51,543

Nothing against the boss.

546

00:35:51,543 --> 00:35:58,103

And boss is probably, I would say, more successful, you know, if you break down the

numbers, maybe I would say.

547

00:35:58,363 --> 00:36:01,063

But yeah, I'd put Petty over.

548

00:36:01,063 --> 00:36:04,443

Like literally, warrior Hogan, he'll pass the torch kind of thing.

549

00:36:04,683 --> 00:36:07,183

I'm actually trying to see that Springsteen movie.

550

00:36:07,183 --> 00:36:08,763

I'm just trying to find the time.

551

00:36:08,763 --> 00:36:09,963

I'm to see it.

552

00:36:09,963 --> 00:36:10,299

Yeah.

553

00:36:10,299 --> 00:36:12,790

he's been in the news because of the movie, because of everything recently.

554

00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:13,900

So he's still up there.

555

00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:19,523

And also shout out to John Alba, who's a massive Bruce Springsteen fan.

556

00:36:19,523 --> 00:36:24,225

He's been on the show and I'm sure that you say in Tom Petty winning, he'd be like, wait,

I got something for that.

557

00:36:24,225 --> 00:36:25,185

Hang on.

558

00:36:25,299 --> 00:36:26,039

I'm sure I'm not.

559

00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:35,099

Like I said, know numbers wise, I'm sure Bruce maybe blows him out of the water with

awards and financials and stuff, but now petty's king to me.

560

00:36:35,442 --> 00:36:40,715

Now we gotta book out the one on one women's match with the musicians being the wrestlers.

561

00:36:40,715 --> 00:36:45,315

I don't even know, like, what female artist do I hold near and dear?

562

00:36:46,275 --> 00:36:51,871

I mean, it'd have to be like a powerhouse, Madonna or something like that.

563

00:36:52,842 --> 00:36:53,668

We can go with Madonna.

564

00:36:53,668 --> 00:36:55,247

Madonna versus who though?

565

00:36:55,995 --> 00:36:58,659

Maybe for my daughters I'll pick Taylor Swift.

566

00:36:58,659 --> 00:36:59,847

How about that?

567

00:37:01,154 --> 00:37:01,533

Yeah.

568

00:37:01,533 --> 00:37:02,209

over in that one?

569

00:37:02,209 --> 00:37:03,535

I think I already know.

570

00:37:05,499 --> 00:37:11,572

Man, for my taste, Madonna, but I'm sure everyone else will pick Taylor Swift.

571

00:37:11,572 --> 00:37:14,991

When your daughters hear this episode, they're gonna be like, dad, should have been

Tay-Tay.

572

00:37:14,991 --> 00:37:18,401

Well, good thing they don't listen to podcasts yet, but yeah, one day.

573

00:37:18,564 --> 00:37:20,107

One day they'll be upset.

574

00:37:21,393 --> 00:37:22,354

Yeah.

575

00:37:23,232 --> 00:37:26,375

And so now we got to book out the tag team match.

576

00:37:26,375 --> 00:37:27,837

it's a band versus a band.

577

00:37:27,837 --> 00:37:29,798

Who do you got and who goes over?

578

00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,024

Let's do Nirvana versus Pearl Jam.

579

00:37:36,145 --> 00:37:48,606

Pearl Jam over though, because I feel like, unfortunately Nirvana's longevity just wasn't

even comparable to theirs, you know, so, and I just love Pearl Jam to death, seen them

580

00:37:48,606 --> 00:37:49,557

live.

581

00:37:50,498 --> 00:37:52,860

They're like a fine wine, I think, you know.

582

00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:54,181

Better with age.

583

00:37:54,536 --> 00:37:55,827

I can get with you on that.

584

00:37:55,827 --> 00:38:00,409

And I think that for me, I'd probably agree with the Pearl Jam going over on that one.

585

00:38:00,409 --> 00:38:05,251

For me, when I started playing guitar, Nirvana was very much just like, these are the

songs that you learn.

586

00:38:05,251 --> 00:38:10,753

But over years for me, and it is nothing against Nirvana, not saying either of us are

saying anything against it.

587

00:38:10,753 --> 00:38:18,271

But as I've gotten older, for me, Pearl Jam, I think, has been even more memorable songs

for me, or songs that mean more to me.

588

00:38:18,271 --> 00:38:19,171

more relatable.

589

00:38:19,171 --> 00:38:20,871

That's kind of what happened to me in my old age.

590

00:38:20,871 --> 00:38:31,671

Like I used to love taking back Sunday and brand new was if you asked me 15 years ago, my

favorite band was I would say brand new, but like I can't, it doesn't hit the same for me

591

00:38:31,671 --> 00:38:32,551

as I get older.

592

00:38:32,551 --> 00:38:38,091

I just can't and I almost feel bad for them having to perform it like, cause they have to

be feeling the same way.

593

00:38:38,091 --> 00:38:47,153

Like there's, just, you aren't the same person you are when you're a college kid, when you

get older and you, have a family and it's just tougher to relate.

594

00:38:47,153 --> 00:38:51,237

to these whiny, like, you know, like, this girl broke up with me song.

595

00:38:51,237 --> 00:38:54,482

It's just, it doesn't hit the same is all I'm gonna say.

596

00:38:54,482 --> 00:38:56,904

Yellow Card brought that up because they just came back.

597

00:38:56,904 --> 00:38:59,607

And Yellow Card is one of my favorite bands of all time.

598

00:38:59,607 --> 00:39:00,948

But even them...

599

00:39:02,410 --> 00:39:05,372

So this was probably right before the new record then.

600

00:39:05,693 --> 00:39:07,254

Like right when they started coming back.

601

00:39:07,254 --> 00:39:12,920

um you know, Ryan was even saying, he goes, the lyrical themes on this record are cool.

602

00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,782

But he's like, yeah, I'm not that 15 year old kid anymore.

603

00:39:15,782 --> 00:39:18,881

like, the music, you have to kind of go with us now.

604

00:39:18,881 --> 00:39:27,202

Like I live and died by that stuff in college and now it's just like, it doesn't hit the

same or it's not, I'm not jumping to listen to it on a regular basis.

605

00:39:27,202 --> 00:39:28,193

That's for sure.

606

00:39:28,330 --> 00:39:28,770

Sure.

607

00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:32,223

It is funny though, I think I've told you before, my wife and I run a music school.

608

00:39:32,223 --> 00:39:34,455

One of my students were learning Breathing by Yellow Card.

609

00:39:34,455 --> 00:39:37,738

So there's still a little part of me that'll always kind of go back there.

610

00:39:37,738 --> 00:39:39,410

And they're just like, this song's awesome.

611

00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:40,681

I'm like, it relates to you.

612

00:39:40,681 --> 00:39:41,981

This is great.

613

00:39:43,603 --> 00:39:46,746

And then I got one more thing for you before we get out of here.

614

00:39:46,746 --> 00:39:49,688

And I ask this to every single person who comes on the show.

615

00:39:49,688 --> 00:39:56,594

If you had to choose three songs that define you, the man, Brian Myers, what would those

three songs be?

616

00:39:57,585 --> 00:40:02,943

Poof, you know, this is like such a deep question that I would love like a month to

prepare for this.

617

00:40:07,681 --> 00:40:08,692

it's tough, man.

618

00:40:08,692 --> 00:40:16,797

There's like some, there's, it might be real bizarre, but there's sometimes I hear songs

that I'm like, if I were to die, I wouldn't mind if someone played this at my funeral kind

619

00:40:16,797 --> 00:40:17,107

of thing.

620

00:40:17,107 --> 00:40:27,794

You know, that being said, I really don't, that's such, I wanted this answer to be so

personal and near and dear that I don't want to just wing it.

621

00:40:27,794 --> 00:40:33,308

Um, there is a, there is a Goo Goo Doll song called So Alive.

622

00:40:33,308 --> 00:40:34,570

I don't know if you're familiar with it.

623

00:40:34,570 --> 00:40:34,995

song.

624

00:40:34,995 --> 00:40:36,256

I am such a Google Dolls fan.

625

00:40:36,256 --> 00:40:44,295

think it's like, if someone were to think of me when they heard that song, I would be

blessed.

626

00:40:44,295 --> 00:40:51,973

You someone that just grabs every day by the horns and lives to the fullest, you know, and

you know, that kind of thing.

627

00:40:51,973 --> 00:40:54,015

um

628

00:40:55,555 --> 00:41:03,159

Something like that, know, something that that leaves a legacy, I think is what would be

important to me.

629

00:41:03,966 --> 00:41:04,650

That's a good one.

630

00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:07,311

And then you got two more, which makes it even harder.

631

00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:11,992

I don't think I can do it.

632

00:41:13,402 --> 00:41:14,242

Yeah.

633

00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:18,833

And then next time, next conversation will be like, we're going to update this with two

more.

634

00:41:18,833 --> 00:41:20,059

You gotta give me homework.

635

00:41:20,059 --> 00:41:24,237

You can't just spring those those kinds on people.

636

00:41:24,541 --> 00:41:25,462

I love that.

637

00:41:25,462 --> 00:41:30,629

Brian, thank you so much for coming on the show and thank you again for making time in

your day to do a second interview.

638

00:41:30,629 --> 00:41:33,594

I'm sure the first one at some point will make the light of day.

639

00:41:33,594 --> 00:41:36,394

It'll be like a deep cut as they say, but

640

00:41:36,394 --> 00:41:39,508

fall from the clouds, but hopefully people can hear it.

641

00:41:39,508 --> 00:41:43,012

But I'm sure there's some repeated, you know, repetitive stories.

642

00:41:43,012 --> 00:41:44,233

you're, you're good.

643

00:41:45,956 --> 00:41:46,846

Thanks, man.