Christina Rotondo on Dr Who Goblin Song, Liz Lizardine, Interstellar Song Contest, Roblox

We are back for another episode of the Ropes and Riffs podcast.

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It's so good to be hanging out with you today.

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If you are somebody that's been listening to these episodes, welcome back.

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Or if you're brand new to the Ropes and Riffs podcast and this is your first episode,

welcome.

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Welcome to the family.

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Welcome to the team.

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I'm glad that you're here.

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I for one am excited and I hope you will be too to have the conversation today with the

one and only Christina Rotondo.

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Now you may already be familiar with Christina's work or you may already be familiar with

it and not even know it.

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If you're a Doctor Who fan, you've definitely heard and probably have even seen her in the

Doctor Who ecosystem.

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She's lent her voice to Doctor Who, and she was even on screen for Doctor Who playing a

character.

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What character?

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You gotta listen to the episode and find out.

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Hey, it's you again!

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I am so happy that you're here today.

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How's it going guys?

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Ladies and gentlemen, we are back on another episode of the Ropes and Riffs podcast.

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Thank you for joining me today.

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My name is Jon Kiernan, your resident entrance theme song composer.

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And today I am speaking to Christina Rotondo.

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Many of you may know her for the work that she did on Doctor Who and a couple of different

episodes, both in music and she was on set as a character.

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Which character?

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You got to listen to the episode and find out.

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She's done lots of different voiceover work, lots of different covers, as you've seen.

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on YouTube and on social media.

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You've probably run into a lot of her Sleep Token covers and Linkin Park covers, which are

all awesome.

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And if you haven't, go ahead and check that out.

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And we get into some conversation about how she chooses them and how she navigates this

crazy music industry, not just in covers, but on Patreon, being a wedding singer and

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performer, and so much more.

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I'm excited for you to join me on this episode of the Ropes and Riffs podcast, as you have

been, or...

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If you're new, welcome to the show.

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As always, you can check out the Ropes and Riffs podcast on any player on Apple podcasts,

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But it's a great conversation we have here with Christina.

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Riffs, that's R-O-P-E-S, the letter N-R-I-F-F-S.

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Now without any further ado, once again, thank you for checking out this episode and enjoy

the conversation with Christina Rotondo.

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So, on your website, at the bottom, it says, Christina is the difference between good and

the best.

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If you want the best, look no further.

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And I'm gonna tell you, from us working together so far, and just from hearing you and

hearing all the covers that you've done and just everything, that statement's true.

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I don't even need to introduce you, because that's enough to introduce you.

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Thank you so much.

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For a second I was like, did I write that?

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And then I remembered it's a quote, yeah, that someone sent me.

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So, whew.

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Imagine if you did and you're just like, yeah, totally me.

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And I'm like, oh my god, I just wrote that myself or like I just generated it or

something.

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Yeah, I know that.

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Didn't do that.

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Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.

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It's really cool to see all of the things that you've been doing.

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you know, we've just recently met, but, you know, for me, when I'm looking up...

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One thing I always tell people is, like, social media is the coolest stuff in the world

because when you're looking at the world of music and you're looking at all the talent out

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there and you're looking at all these great people to work with or just...

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Even someone that comes across the algorithm, because we are slaves to the algorithm now,

it's just cool.

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It's like, who's this person?

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my god, they're covering sleep token.

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And it sounds awesome.

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So I'm so glad that we've been able to cross paths recently.

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Yeah, this been really, really cool.

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think like, the way that I see social media is it's like a portfolio.

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So just like, I just constantly just keep churning out content on there and just hope that

the right people see it eventually.

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What's been your favorite thing that you've done on socials?

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Because over on YouTube, over on Instagram and TikTok and all these things, you've been

doing obviously a lot of covers, a lot of originals.

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And the way that I had heard about you originally was through the stuff you were doing

with Sleep Token.

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And being able to see your take on that and a lot of the response to your Sleep Token

covers has been incredibly positive.

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Yeah, it's difficult because like...

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I think like social media has definitely taken a bit of a change recently.

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Like I used to primarily focus on like long form content and I would do, I would mainly do

like longer YouTube covers and then I would cut them down and then kind of put them onto

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like TikTok or whatever it might be.

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I actually only kind of like recently started uploading to TikTok.

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But like now I say I'm very much focused on like short form and short form is really fun

because you don't have to spend a whole ton of time.

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and perfecting something and then spending absolutely ages on it or putting it out and it

kind of being like what you think might be subpar because you want to get this really long

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video out and you have to dedicate all this time to it because with short form you can

kind of just like because it's such a short section you can like like I can add in like so

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many different layers and like extra backing vocals and stuff that I maybe wouldn't have

the time to if it was like a longer form content so like at the moment like I'm really

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enjoying pretty much all of the short form content

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and I do whether that is covers or like even just like the behind the scenes of work stuff

like when I'm working and playing gigs physically and I record come spend a day with me

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like that's really fun to do because I'm also working at the same time and then I get to

show people like what I'm doing behind the scenes

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And for those who are just becoming familiar with your work, you do everything within the

music industry.

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You're doing the covers on social, you're doing the covers everywhere, you're recording,

you're doing session work, and you're in a wedding band also.

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And you're in a couple of different bands, and you've done stuff for TV.

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So yeah, you have run the gamut and continue to run the gamut of lots of different things

within the industry.

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Yeah, I say this to everyone that asks me about making music, sorry, making money in

music.

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When I was younger and I was in touring bands, the thought process was very much, if you

were to make money or to make music your job, then you would make money by monetizing what

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you were currently doing.

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So in that band, you would just get to the stage where you were touring and making loads

of money from that.

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And then as you kind of like...

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get creep out of that just for fun music stage where you actually start thinking about how

to make money in music like as a future or whatever that might be, you realise that it's

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literally about making money as a musician, not just making money in the music that you

are currently doing.

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whether that is like session work, sync work, working, like, I mean, working like with

companies like TV adverts, jingles, whatever it might be, it is literally about being a

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musician.

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and using your skills in order to do all these really cool things.

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Yeah, I tell people that similarly and you know a couple people in my life I think really

helped shape that for me.

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One of them is my friend Tina who works with Hans Zimmer.

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She's the cellist for them.

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And then another person was this gentleman named Chance Thomas who's a video game composer

and there's this conference over in the US called Game Sound Con where all of the video

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game composers and people within the video game industry go and talk about sound, music,

everything relating to that industry.

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And I remember Chance and I always blow

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him up for this because I'm just like it was such a different dynamic.

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He was on a panel on making money in the industry of video game music and video game sound

design things like that and there were a couple different people on stage who were just

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like if you're in this industry to make money you're in the wrong industry and you know I

think we all understand that from an artistic perspective right the art comes first that

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kind of thing but as a musician you need to be able to create income to continue to do the

thing that you do right and I remember that he was on stage

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he's just like, all right, cool pulls up a PowerPoint and he's like if you're just

starting off This is what you should charge these are the steps and this is the way that I

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do it and it was just so Revitalizing to basically see somebody turn around and be like

not necessarily here's a step process But yeah, you need to make money.

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Otherwise, you can't do the thing and here are some of those different price points that

would work for me Here's why it goes in this at this stage.

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If you're just starting out.

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Here's why you would choose this if you're not starting out here's this and it even went

down to the minutia of

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If you're creating sounds, not just the music, but here's how to price out each of them.

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Here's how to do a package.

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Here's why you would do a discount as opposed to free or free as opposed to it.

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It was just like such a light bulb moment of there's so many different things that you can

do in the industry.

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And there is money in the industry.

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Definitely.

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It's just, you can't just see yourself as your own artistic solo vision.

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have to see yourself and go, what can I do with music and how as a musician can I leverage

that skillset all

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Yeah, couldn't agree more.

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Yeah, I think it's really interesting when you say that he wasn't afraid to kind of be

like, okay, well, this is how you can make money in music because that whole phrase of,

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know, well, if you're making money in music, then you're in the wrong industry.

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Like I have, I've had people say varieties of that to me so many different times, but

normally like it might come from, I don't know, like someone who is like trying to

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orchestrate a session or something and they're like, you

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For example, as a singer, the kind of comment that I get is like, you know, well, if

you're making money from it, then you're not just doing it for the passion of it.

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Or people that want free sessions and they're like, well, you should just be doing it

because you're passionate about it.

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And I'm like, well, let's not forget that you are also entitled to make money off of

music.

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Just because you make money off of it, doesn't mean that you're no longer emotionally

involved in the actual music itself.

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Right, absolutely.

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And my wife and I, as you know, run a music school, and as many of the listeners here

know, we run a music school here.

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And some of my favorite students to teach personally in my studio are composition

students.

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And there's a couple of students who, in the comp world, we've gone over lots of different

elements of, obviously, composition, songwriting, things of that nature.

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And what I always try to instill upon them, especially one of my students who just

graduated who's going to Berkeley in the fall, Berkeley College,

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music.

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One of the things that I tell them is I go, listen, when I give you an assignment for

composition, it's a little bit different than our technical piano or guitar lessons.

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And I break it down into two things.

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And I reference a lot of the wrestling music that I do.

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I go, look, there's work music and there's artistic music.

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And the work music, these are the pieces that someone requests that you do or that you're

being paid to do.

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And they usually have different parameters.

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Here's what's going to happen here.

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Here's what may not happen here.

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Here's the time frame.

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And you

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to flip it around by x time.

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Your artistic expression and the stuff that you do out of the goodness of your heart, you

could spend years doing that, you could do whatever you want on that, but...

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The mindset that you have and the vision that you have for that is a very different

mentality.

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And it's not to say one is better than the other.

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It's not to say that you should prioritize one more than the other.

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It's just, it's two sides of the same coin.

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As a musician, if you want to just do your own thing, that's totally cool.

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But understand that puts you more in what I would call like being an artist as opposed to

just being a musician.

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When you're a musician, there's all of these different things that you can do.

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And if you want to make music the income that you do, you got

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to learn how to kind of separate that line between work music and the artistic music.

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Yeah, and this is also why I say to people, I've had the conversation quite recently as

well, where I always say you're entitled to have your own artistic profile, your own

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artist identity.

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So for example, like as a session vocalist, the way I kind of word it is I say to people

like, you know, when I say to them, you know, you can either feature, you can have me as

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like a feature artist, or you can include me in like the information, but like, I'm not

going to be a primary artist.

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So it's not going to show up on my Spotify.

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And if someone

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you know, every now and then someone will query that and they'll think it's personal and I

just say, you know what, like, look, let's imagine that every single session I ever did

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was on my profile page.

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Like it would just be a mess of genres.

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It would be too conflicting.

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People would be confused as to what is my music?

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What is not my music?

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What have I written?

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What haven't I written?

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And I think everyone is entitled to their own musical identity.

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And I think you summed it up perfectly.

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just because you're separating what is your work music and what is your-

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passion project I mean you know and don't get me wrong like sometimes they can overlap

like at the moment I've got a couple of projects on and same with you know the kind of

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wrestling music like it's all like very rock oriented it's orientated it's very like

focused in like genres that I like as a part of like my personal music but I think

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everyone should definitely be able to have like that split down the middle where they go

okay great I can channel work music now and I can channel like personal music

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And I love the fact too that you can have your own artistic profile that has all these

different things and then you can subdivide into whatever you need to.

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And for me, the fact that we started talking, you were like, man, I do wedding gigs too.

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I'm just like, wedding gigs are the most fun I have.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, like we I don't we don't even do a lot of rocket weddings like that's only kind of

been a recent thing like a lot of it is like You know just like pop or like even like

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dance stuff like it's completely different John or like know very soft and very pretty

like what people typically want a wedding but You know like even just doing like sessions

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and wedding stuff like I'm constantly singing live so I have to kind of like it's it's

like an adjustment of like constantly keeping my voice or my

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you know, like make sure that they work well and I think that's helped me with like

session work and stuff because I'm constantly singing in so many different genres and at

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the end of the day like all of that helps as well.

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Yeah, and I have to ask obviously as someone who also plays in wedding bands, what is one

or some of your best wedding performance moments?

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Ooh, do you mean like what part of the day or like songs?

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Let's say, so I'll break it up into two, because I think it's gonna be a pretty fun kind

of conversation.

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What are some of the funnest wedding songs for you to do in your catalog?

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Okay, so at the moment we're doing a lot of like...

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alternative rock and metal stuff.

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So that's really fun to add in like a lot of like sleep token and I'm kind of just now

starting to like feel comfortable with them because this is something else as well that me

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and my guitarist were literally talking about today.

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But like, even though we are pro wedding musicians, it is not as easy as just playing a

song and it's sounding amazing.

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And he said something to me when we were in the car like the other week, and he was like,

it's really interesting because whenever someone requests a custom song, that is going to

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be the worst we're ever going to play it.

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because if you think about it, like you'll do your practice and then you'll do it live and

then like that's the first time that you've ever really performed it and only when you

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continue, like you're going to get better every time you play it, right?

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But like in terms of the stuff that we have been doing for a while, stuff like old school

like 80s stuff, like a lot of like fleet or like 70s, like a lot of like Fleetwood Mac or

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like Luther Vandross, like never too much because it's all so funky and I'm just like, you

know, like it's playing in my head at the moment and that you just want to

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You just want to jig along to it, like that stuff is so fun.

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Yeah, yeah, just like, you know, never too much, never too much.

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vibes, yeah.

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You just really want to vibe it out, it's so fun.

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love that.

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And I think again with wedding music, you can get custom songs that people are just like,

hey, go ahead and do this.

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You can have your own roster of music.

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you know, I think that

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When you are doing this professionally, and you kind of alluded to it earlier, right?

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You end up having these, this continuation of always using your instrument and always

trying things.

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So your guitarist was just like, hey, this is probably the worst we're ever gonna sound

with it.

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But your worst for you guys is probably like a nine.

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And you're just like, man, like this still sounds great, but you guys are sitting there

like, I hope they like it.

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And they're just like, this is so good.

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for sure.

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I mean, to be fair, like I record a lot of our stuff now.

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And it's so funny because, like, for example, last year, I, we did this wedding.

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And I remember, like, on the day of the wedding, I was just super unwell.

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I was not really not feeling good.

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And usually, like when that happens, and I feel like I'm not performing my best, because,

you know, touchwood, we've not had to, like, you know, cancel a wedding because of

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illness.

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But you know, I'm sure at some point in our career, it may happen.

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Was so unwell and I was like, man, I'm really not performing this very well like we had

they had Taylor Swift walking down the aisle and I love Taylor Swift and I sing it a lot

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but it just was not it was not sounding good and so like I'll kind of have like a little a

little pep talk to myself and I'm like look, you know the situation This is how I feel it

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when and I I kind of said to myself if they decide that if they message me and they say

hey This wasn't what we expected.

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We didn't really like it.

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I would have been like, okay I'll give you a refund because I was ill and it can't be

helped is what it

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And then like me and then I recorded everything but because I was so ill and I really

didn't want to look back in We've just gone on holiday and stuff.

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I think like two months later I looked back at the recordings and what I thought was my

absolute worst was actually really not that bad at all But like as as like fresh you've

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definitely got like you've got a standard that you kind of hold yourself to and I can't

remember who said it once I watched it think on a video ages ago and they said something

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along the lines of you are only as good as your last performance and like what people have

seen of you and

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it's so funny because like I thought the, we'll do gigs and there are some gigs and I'll

be like, oh my God, we smashed it.

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Like we did this gig at the weekend and it was just flawless.

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10 out of 10, Chef's Kiss, best vocal performances I've ever done, it was so good.

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And then there are some gigs that you do and you're just like, man, that was awful, but.

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Most of the time people are really enjoying what you're doing, but it's just because you

as a musician have got this standard of where you think you should be.

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And if you feel like you're not a hundred percent or you feel like something's a bit

wobbly or it's too hot or something like that, then in your mind it's like, oh my God, it

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sounds awful.

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critic.

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There was a gig that I did a couple of years ago where for a wedding gig, was this thing

where they called it like a hybrid wedding band, which was weird because there were like

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nine of us still on stage, but they were like, yeah, we're to go ahead and have the

musicians, but we'll have some of the track playing along and things like that.

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And I was like, okay, cool.

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That probably means that there are going to be two or three of us on stage and you know,

we're going to go ahead and have some of the instrumentals filled in.

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There were still like nine of us on stage.

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drummer, the bamba drummer, was a saxophonist, there was a violinist, there was me, and

we're playing songs like Uptown Funk and things like that, but because there was stuff in

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the back, I'm like, all right, cool, we're gonna tap and we're gonna do some crazy stuff.

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And, you know, we didn't get called out on it.

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It was fun.

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And I was just like, man, this is this is some really cool stuff.

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But it's not always like, sometimes you got to stick to the letter of the law with it.

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Sometimes they're very specific on like, you know, what they want.

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But like you said, you're sitting there sometimes you're like, man, that was not

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cool and then other times you watch it back and you're like you know what that wasn't as

bad as I thought it was because you are your own worst critic and you know I think

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sometimes as artists no matter what we do we'll always listen back and we'll hear the

flaws and we're just like man I could have done way better with that but a lot of the

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times it's just like we were in the studio the other people weren't we were on stage the

other people weren't and it just gives you this this interesting perspective on your own

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performance

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Yeah, 100%.

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I think that's just, do you know what?

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I think if you're not criticizing your work, at least sometimes as a musician, you're

probably, maybe it could be that it's something that you're really not that into, or you

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don't really have that much of, you don't really care that much about.

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For me, if I'm writing a song, my own work or something, and I really don't care that much

about it, then it's probably like, I don't know if this is the one for me.

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But then again, when I listen to a track, I feel like I can,

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pretty much instantly know if I'm gonna vibe with it or not.

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Like, you know, there have been songs, I mean, there's actually one right now and

literally after this, it's actually on my to-do list for today.

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Like I need to get back to writing for my band.

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It's just me and a guitarist.

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are like, you know, we're just a two piece and like he's really loving it.

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And I am just like, man, I'm having such a hard time with this track.

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Like this one track in particular, like I just cannot.

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And so the motivation to get back to it and like,

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continue working on it is so hard because because I'm not clicking with it I am pulling

apart everything that I write and I just need to be like right just get in the session and

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just whatever happens happens like it just needs to come out and sometimes it's just like

that

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Yeah, totally.

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you know, sometimes I tell them, again, going back to comp students, I tell them all the

time, go, listen, sometimes you've to write for like 15, 20, 30 minutes and write the bad

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stuff.

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Cause then all of sudden you'll get that nugget where it happens.

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I'm just like years ago, Jeff Loomis, who's in, who's the guitarist in Nevermore, Arch

Enemy, all these different things.

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He was just like, sometimes let us throw my voice memos for an hour and shred and like 58

minutes of it is terrible.

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And then there's two minutes that all of sudden become a song on the record.

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And I really jive with that.

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And it's like, you just have to

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really find your process in terms of like getting that stuff out and being able to get

what you think is like the positive stuff, what you think is like the good stuff.

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And it's gonna be different for everybody.

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But I think a lot of the times, if you just kind of go with what's first, sometimes it's

good.

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But a lot of the times you've got to have that process there.

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And you know, for you, you've done so much and I want to get a little bit into some of the

work you did with Doctor Who and some of those things, because you haven't just done

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things with music.

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You've done a lot of different things.

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And let's start with some of the Doctor Who stuff too, because I had no idea that you had

done some work for that.

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How did that come to be, and what was that experience like?

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Yeah, so I was originally, I've done two bits of work with them and the first time I was

hired from, I believe it was a production company that help and or do some of the audio

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engineering for Doctor Who.

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So I don't know exactly how much they do for it, but it was a company that basically it

wasn't Doctor Who directly.

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So they reached out to me and they were like, hey, this is the brief, just bog standard

session work, but I wasn't told anything about.

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the actual work, which again is very common.

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Like in session work, a lot of the time people will just kind of like, they'll give you

like a really rough, you know, it's for this or they won't really give you that much

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information.

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But I had like no information.

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The only brief was like, don't change your voice.

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We, you know, sing it like you would normally sing it.

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And yeah, that was pretty much it.

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And then I got the lyrics and this, was for the episode was called the church on Ruby

road.

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So it was about some goblins, but I didn't know

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at the time.

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And I got the lyrics and I was like, what is this?

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um And I was kind of just like, okay, whatever, like a lot of the time, like you get

personal projects, and it's just people, you know, like we said, just getting their ideas

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out, just whatever they want to do, you know, and it's my job to sing, not judge, I don't

judge, like, you know, you're hiring me to sing a song, and that's awesome.

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And I was like, okay, I don't know what this gonna be used for, but fine, no problem.

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Did a little bit of a sample and then sent it over.

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and then it kind of all went from there.

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That's awesome.

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Now, if you would have known it was about goblins, would that have changed your delivery

at all?

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Or do you think that you'd have been like, yeah, I got that.

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Like what I said was good.

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like I think because they said to me, don't change how you sing, I think if they'd have

given me too much information, I probably would have thought too much about it.

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because I remember with this one, I treated the session just like I would have done for

anyone.

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As I'm sure anyone else out there doing music, I mean, maybe, maybe not, but I have my own

boundaries when it comes to music.

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I have my own fees, I have what I will accept, what I won't accept, and it was no

different for this.

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for example, I think the initial inquiry, I think they potentially wanted a free sample as

a rule of thumb.

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I don't do free samples for people that I don't know because I don't already have,

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no history of working with you.

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don't, you know, some people will do free samples and they won't even say thank you for

your time and that can be a bit frustrating.

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But like, you know, if it was a friend reaching out to me, yeah, I'll do a free sample for

you or someone that I worked with before because we've, we've done that before and I'm

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happy to help.

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And I think, and I think if I remember correctly, I think, you know, they weren't really

sure, but they ended up paying for the sample and that was great.

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But I think had I have known that it was for like this, this big potential thing, I

possibly would have been inclined to either

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do it for free or maybe like change how I sang it and I think in this situation I think

not knowing was the right call because I think otherwise I probably would have got into my

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head a little bit potentially.

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Sure.

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But you're also highlighting something that I think is important about that, because I

think there's a lot of people in the industry who go, if it's a big project, I have to do

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this for free.

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Otherwise, there's hundreds and millions of other musicians who will get the gig.

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And maybe that's true, with some people and some not.

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But at the same time, think you and I both in professionals in this can think of projects

that we've done for free, think of projects that were very well-paying or decently paying.

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And it really varies on the

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but I think that if you know what you're worth and you know, hey, this is my time, this is

my scope, it also makes you look more professional if you're like, hey, for this, here's

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what this is.

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And, you know, I think there are people that will starting out post some irrational number

for something like that.

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And that's different.

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It's different to understand what you should charge or what you think you should for this

or these kinds of different elements.

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Right.

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But at the same time, there's nothing wrong with like you said, saying, hey, for us to do

this demo

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or this sample, here's what this would look like.

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But at the same time, too, you're at a point, too, where you're putting out your own

music.

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You have all this lead on socials, on YouTube, and on Spotify, on Apple Music, all those

things.

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So at the same time, it's not like people don't have those references.

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And that's I tell people all the time.

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go, listen, people will want something for free, think, a lot of the time, intrinsically,

because that's some of how this industry and the artistry sometimes goes.

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But if you have this

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of stuff that you've done that you can lean on, like, hey, you know how I sound.

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You know what I mean?

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You know how I sound.

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And within reason, if you're somebody that's just doing metal, which you don't do, you do

lots of different things, including that.

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But if you're just like, hey, someone wants to be on a jazz track and there's no jazz

stuff that I have, maybe that's when there's a consideration.

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But if it's like, hey, I have a pool of dozens of songs and dozens of references and you

can hear me, not me, you, because I don't sing, I play guitar.

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have all of these different things that you can send people.

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Hey, you know how I sound, this is my process, and here's why I'm asking for that.

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I think that's really important.

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And, you know, even though you're not dealing directly with Doctor Who, I foresee that

that's a big reason why they're like, hey, you know, that's fair, let's keep moving

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forward with this.

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And you said you've done two things.

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Were both of those done through that same company, or was it once you did this one they

came back to you and said, hey, let's rock and roll on the next one?

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Yeah, so the second one which was aired only very recently that was done directly through

the producer So the the producer reached out to me and she said hey, we've got this role

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We want you to jump in on it And then I only recently found out really because there was

like a behind the scenes video that went out and it's so nice because they're talking

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about me, but obviously i'm not there and and you know we cut because when I was on set

that day because I was actually in the episode, I

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met the producer and the writer Russell T Davies.

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He came up to me on set while I was all in my prosthetics and everything and we were

having a chat and then it cuts to the producer of that season I believe, he's called Ben

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and they're talking about basically why they hired me for this one and they basically say

like oh you know she was so enthusiastic and she obviously had so much fun doing this one

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that when we had like this

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this other character come up, like we knew we had to ask Christina and I was like, my god,

that's so nice.

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But they're talking about me, yes.

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so cool.

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And for those who, everybody's into Doctor Who, but for those who aren't familiar with

Doctor Who, what is the character or where is the character, where can they find it?

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it is on an episode called the Interstellar Song Contest and the character is Liz

Lizardine.

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She appears, I think probably like in the first half an hour or so.

378

00:29:03,246 --> 00:29:06,693

The song contest is kicking off and she's one of the contestants.

379

00:29:06,693 --> 00:29:09,715

And after she sings, everything breaks loose.

380

00:29:09,715 --> 00:29:11,757

So it's right before then.

381

00:29:12,192 --> 00:29:13,232

That's awesome.

382

00:29:13,232 --> 00:29:24,252

Now, there's something on your Instagram profile, which me having kids now and one of them

being in kindergarten, one of the things they talk about all the time is Roblox.

383

00:29:24,252 --> 00:29:26,992

So we must talk about that.

384

00:29:26,992 --> 00:29:31,572

I have no background on anything Roblox personally.

385

00:29:31,572 --> 00:29:34,252

My son's just like, my friends were talking about this.

386

00:29:34,252 --> 00:29:36,812

I'm like, hmm, should they be talking about it?

387

00:29:36,812 --> 00:29:37,952

You're into Pokemon.

388

00:29:37,952 --> 00:29:39,252

So that's what you're doing too.

389

00:29:39,252 --> 00:29:40,672

I'm into Pokemon too, guys.

390

00:29:40,672 --> 00:29:42,216

But, know, with

391

00:29:42,216 --> 00:29:47,773

Talk to us a little bit about some of the stuff you've done for Roblox and a little bit on

how that came to be too.

392

00:29:47,773 --> 00:29:57,373

Okay cool, so my work with Roblox, so I met a really cool dev of Roblox.

393

00:29:57,393 --> 00:30:00,239

I think, if I'm...

394

00:30:00,239 --> 00:30:13,455

please correct me if I'm wrong, anyone here, but I believe that he does dev work as well

as the music in Roblox and it's specifically in Piggy and in Piggy there is, you have

395

00:30:13,455 --> 00:30:25,403

chapter 12 and you have the true ending, so you have the ending and then you have a hidden

ending and when you beat Tio and you reach the hidden ending, that's where our song

396

00:30:25,403 --> 00:30:28,806

happens and it's so funny because we talk about this all the time.

397

00:30:28,806 --> 00:30:38,314

and it's so funny because like it was really popular when it got released and then it was

like all you know like I mean everyone's still loving it I did a live version on YouTube

398

00:30:38,314 --> 00:30:47,541

that I put out I did like a one take live version of it just for funsies because everyone

was really enjoying it and all of a sudden like my phone is constantly pinging at the

399

00:30:47,541 --> 00:30:54,786

moment like I don't know why like I don't know if everyone's reaching the hidden ending or

what is happening but like it just it goes like that constantly

400

00:30:54,786 --> 00:31:04,976

constantly and it's so popular and it's I think Bobby I think posted about it literally

last like last week I believe it's just reached like 4 million views on YouTube so yeah

401

00:31:04,976 --> 00:31:14,264

super super popular everyone is really enjoying it which is so fun and so fab and then

I've done some other small bits as well so I've also done a little bit of voiceover work

402

00:31:14,264 --> 00:31:21,579

but yeah just like here and there but it's mainly the head and ending but I'd love to do

more stuff like that I mean I love video game stuff it's so

403

00:31:21,918 --> 00:31:25,140

Yeah, the video game world is super cool.

404

00:31:25,140 --> 00:31:31,863

you know, a lot of my background in terms of what got me into music was video game music

and just things in video games in general.

405

00:31:31,863 --> 00:31:33,184

I wish I had time to play more.

406

00:31:33,184 --> 00:31:38,568

I think everybody who's artistic and whatnot has some sort of that element to them.

407

00:31:38,568 --> 00:31:39,989

Wrestling is kind of like that.

408

00:31:39,989 --> 00:31:42,630

So I guess that's the media there.

409

00:31:42,650 --> 00:31:44,131

Yeah, totally.

410

00:31:44,328 --> 00:31:44,989

yeah.

411

00:31:44,989 --> 00:31:50,121

Yeah, and I think video game music can be so expressive and things you can do in video

games are so different.

412

00:31:50,121 --> 00:31:55,845

For me, my biggest video game music ever is from the Final Fantasy series, right?

413

00:31:55,845 --> 00:31:58,826

yeah, Nobuo Matsu, it's just incredible.

414

00:31:58,826 --> 00:32:06,810

And tying it into the wrestling thing for those listening, obviously you all know Kenny

Omega, Nobuo Matsu, new theme, we'll talk about it later.

415

00:32:06,810 --> 00:32:13,754

But like, you know, there's all this cool stuff, like Kenny Omega ended up having Nobuo

Matsu, the composer from Final Fantasy,

416

00:32:13,754 --> 00:32:19,057

not compose the theme, but he was the voice that you hear say his name in the new theme.

417

00:32:19,057 --> 00:32:20,357

And the new theme just rocks.

418

00:32:20,357 --> 00:32:24,819

And you can tell that like, there's this intersect, like you said, in all these different

things.

419

00:32:24,819 --> 00:32:28,981

For me, I'm like, without video game music, I don't know that I fall in love with music.

420

00:32:28,981 --> 00:32:33,313

And I don't know that I continue down these different roads here.

421

00:32:33,313 --> 00:32:35,274

But yeah, video game music is awesome.

422

00:32:35,274 --> 00:32:41,768

And for me, like, how far disconnected I am from Roblox, I always get it confused with

Minecraft, and it's totally not.

423

00:32:41,768 --> 00:32:43,358

I know it's not.

424

00:32:44,534 --> 00:32:45,715

No, I'm the same.

425

00:32:45,715 --> 00:32:48,467

So fun fact, no one please come for me.

426

00:32:48,467 --> 00:32:50,757

But it's the same for me with like the Doctor Who stuff.

427

00:32:50,757 --> 00:32:57,680

Like I feel like in the UK, you either grew up watching Doctor Who because that's what

your parents like watched and you watched it as a family.

428

00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,581

I didn't watch Doctor Who growing up.

429

00:33:00,581 --> 00:33:03,747

You know, I'm very much like in the...

430

00:33:03,747 --> 00:33:13,512

Legend of Zelda, Final Fantasy, Tomb Raider kind of category of like gaming but like

Roblox never, and everyone's like have you played it before?

431

00:33:13,512 --> 00:33:14,731

And I'm like no!

432

00:33:14,731 --> 00:33:16,607

That's gonna be one of the things afterwards.

433

00:33:16,607 --> 00:33:18,925

I'm just like, is there one thing you regret saying?

434

00:33:18,925 --> 00:33:20,756

You're gonna be like, damn the Roblox thing.

435

00:33:20,756 --> 00:33:23,963

everyone's gonna hear this and they're gonna be like, what do you mean?

436

00:33:23,963 --> 00:33:30,496

But so what is your favorite video game of all time then or what are some of your favorite

video games because you named some bangers nice

437

00:33:30,496 --> 00:33:33,636

of Zelda, like Ocarina of Time, yes.

438

00:33:33,636 --> 00:33:42,496

On like whatever platform, well I think I used to have like a variety, like, you know,

just on like the little like Nintendo, what would it have been then?

439

00:33:42,576 --> 00:33:52,356

Like the cross between like the Nintendo DS Lite, you know, when all of that stuff was

happening, like the Game Boy Color and all of that stuff, that was a vibe.

440

00:33:52,976 --> 00:33:59,771

Yeah, it kind of started with like Pokemon on like the Game Boy Color and then it

progressed and then when we got like our big boy like concept,

441

00:33:59,771 --> 00:34:11,125

like it was, I mean pretty much like Far Cry, Lara Croft, like Tomb Raider and there's

something else and I've forgotten it but like you know that Last of Us like stuff like

442

00:34:11,125 --> 00:34:19,691

that there was a brief period where I worked at a game I don't think you guys have it I

think your equivalent would be like GameStop but it was like a gaming store but the

443

00:34:19,691 --> 00:34:22,453

biggest gaming store yes

444

00:34:22,453 --> 00:34:23,206

before they went under.

445

00:34:23,206 --> 00:34:24,679

But yeah, yeah, it's good.

446

00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:33,744

we just had like a game which was same equivalent and like, I was like, yes, I can finally

like channel my inner Tomb Raider one day and like the Tomb Raider release came out and I

447

00:34:33,744 --> 00:34:36,959

was obviously the only girl that worked in the store and I was like, I'm gonna be Lara

Croft today.

448

00:34:36,959 --> 00:34:38,771

Yeah, that was a vibe, yeah.

449

00:34:38,778 --> 00:34:39,938

That's so cool.

450

00:34:39,938 --> 00:34:42,098

And I love that you named all those different ones.

451

00:34:42,098 --> 00:34:46,138

Pokemon for me right now is close because my son is really into Pokemon.

452

00:34:46,138 --> 00:34:50,218

And it started just like in school when he would do good.

453

00:34:50,218 --> 00:34:58,458

They gave points for like, you know, you did this and you get this and you could either

choose like lunch with the teacher or something or Pokemon cards.

454

00:34:58,458 --> 00:35:03,118

And he wasn't into Pokemon before the cards, but I think he saw one is like, oh, that's

cool.

455

00:35:03,118 --> 00:35:04,118

And then he got it.

456

00:35:04,118 --> 00:35:05,538

And then he did well like the next day.

457

00:35:05,538 --> 00:35:06,858

And then he got like four more.

458

00:35:06,858 --> 00:35:09,210

And I'm like, dude, how did you get like

459

00:35:09,210 --> 00:35:12,130

Yeah, and then he all of a sudden started getting the cards and everything.

460

00:35:12,130 --> 00:35:13,730

I was like, you don't understand.

461

00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:15,930

Your dad used to be a Pokemon master when he was young.

462

00:35:15,930 --> 00:35:23,090

Like, I was like all into like blue and red and silver and gold and all those and up to

Ruby and Sapphire.

463

00:35:23,090 --> 00:35:26,450

And then all of a sudden, like, he gets super into it.

464

00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:28,390

And he now has like, let's go Pikachu.

465

00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:29,350

And he's like, dad, what's this?

466

00:35:29,350 --> 00:35:31,090

And I'm like, let's go Pikachu.

467

00:35:31,090 --> 00:35:32,230

It's basically red and blue.

468

00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:32,990

So here's what you do.

469

00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:35,850

You need to go here where you need to get this, this and this.

470

00:35:35,850 --> 00:35:37,080

And now like...

471

00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,711

You know, I were like super back into it.

472

00:35:38,711 --> 00:35:40,582

He's like, dad, can I play Go?

473

00:35:40,582 --> 00:35:41,392

I'm like, yeah.

474

00:35:41,392 --> 00:35:43,123

So like we're working on that.

475

00:35:43,123 --> 00:35:48,175

But yeah, Pokemon is he's super into and you brought up Zelda earlier too.

476

00:35:48,175 --> 00:35:53,698

Zelda for me is fun because like I was an Ocarina of Time Majora's Mask person.

477

00:35:53,698 --> 00:35:59,080

And after those, I had kind of fallen off of Zelda years ago by teaching guitar students.

478

00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,783

One of my students is two sisters, right?

479

00:36:01,783 --> 00:36:03,324

And they both love Zelda.

480

00:36:03,324 --> 00:36:04,444

And so I'm like, all right, cool.

481

00:36:04,444 --> 00:36:06,375

Let's learn Sarya's song because you're

482

00:36:06,375 --> 00:36:09,786

into sight read, can do everything in basically open position, it's cool.

483

00:36:09,786 --> 00:36:12,017

And she's like, what is Saria's song?

484

00:36:12,017 --> 00:36:15,269

I'm like, wait a minute, what do mean what is Saria's song?

485

00:36:15,269 --> 00:36:18,450

And I play it for her, she goes, that's not what it's called now.

486

00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:20,331

And I'm like, that's not what it's called now.

487

00:36:20,331 --> 00:36:26,133

And I'm like, I haven't gone to like fact check this 11 year old child yet, but I'm just

like, should I?

488

00:36:26,133 --> 00:36:28,874

But like, once you start playing it, you're like, okay, cool.

489

00:36:29,667 --> 00:36:30,838

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

490

00:36:31,065 --> 00:36:34,778

I love how Zelda's continued on over the course of time too.

491

00:36:34,778 --> 00:36:38,631

Like there are some games that are evergreen and Zelda just continued on.

492

00:36:38,631 --> 00:36:39,462

Yeah, agreed.

493

00:36:39,462 --> 00:36:45,206

It's one of those classic ones, I think, that will always just be amazing.

494

00:36:45,206 --> 00:36:48,248

I'm almost excited see what they do with it next.

495

00:36:48,511 --> 00:36:49,431

Absolutely.

496

00:36:49,431 --> 00:36:53,685

Now, with a lot of the covers that you've started to do, you have so many different

things.

497

00:36:53,685 --> 00:36:55,175

You talked about the wedding band before.

498

00:36:55,175 --> 00:36:56,696

You have a successful Patreon.

499

00:36:56,696 --> 00:37:00,718

And I always tell anybody who's doing awesome on those platforms, congratulations.

500

00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:04,560

Because I think a lot of people think that, OK, you just put it up in People's Sub.

501

00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:05,820

No, it's work.

502

00:37:05,820 --> 00:37:14,665

And anyone that really does well with a Patreon and all that, it deserves all the

accolades and all of the congratulations in the world for those.

503

00:37:14,665 --> 00:37:17,300

And I saw that recently, you

504

00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:19,736

did a wedding for one of your subscribers also.

505

00:37:19,736 --> 00:37:20,493

Is that true?

506

00:37:20,493 --> 00:37:26,563

Yes, I've actually started doing that quite a lot recently, so I think that would have

been...

507

00:37:26,563 --> 00:37:28,074

oh

508

00:37:28,074 --> 00:37:29,056

I'll play at your wedding.

509

00:37:29,056 --> 00:37:30,778

Yeah, I did a little perk in there.

510

00:37:30,778 --> 00:37:35,263

So I think that would have been Brad's wedding, but I did one literally last week.

511

00:37:35,263 --> 00:37:42,129

So I'll reference that one because it was like the most recent one that I've done, but

these guys were in Aberdeen.

512

00:37:42,129 --> 00:37:47,793

So for context, the UK is definitely not as big as America at all.

513

00:37:47,793 --> 00:37:50,602

So this was like pretty much the furthest you can go.

514

00:37:50,602 --> 00:37:53,497

So I'm in the middle of the UK and they

515

00:37:53,497 --> 00:37:55,438

were like a seven hour drive to me.

516

00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,981

So yeah, like what you know, one way seven hours.

517

00:37:58,981 --> 00:37:59,661

It was great.

518

00:37:59,661 --> 00:38:00,472

I love doing it.

519

00:38:00,472 --> 00:38:01,323

It was fabulous.

520

00:38:01,323 --> 00:38:11,862

I ended up I both hired one of my friends to help me out with some instrumentals and I

also composed a couple so I did like a piano cover for their aisle walk in and there I

521

00:38:11,862 --> 00:38:16,875

think the biggest reason that they hired me is because they both used to listen to and

still do now to be fair.

522

00:38:16,875 --> 00:38:19,537

A lot of my like always bring me the horizon covers.

523

00:38:19,537 --> 00:38:21,138

So I re recorded

524

00:38:21,138 --> 00:38:27,087

them, Can You Feel My Heart, I made it bit more modern, just re-recorded it and stuff.

525

00:38:27,087 --> 00:38:30,754

It sounds very different to what it did eight years ago on YouTube.

526

00:38:30,754 --> 00:38:34,077

And that was their first dance song and yeah, it was awesome, it was so fun.

527

00:38:34,392 --> 00:38:35,202

That's so cool.

528

00:38:35,202 --> 00:38:41,957

And I'm assuming that when you are doing a seven hour drive like that, I always try to

pass time with long drives like that.

529

00:38:41,957 --> 00:38:44,198

Like, hey, the view will be great.

530

00:38:44,198 --> 00:38:47,816

You know, I don't know if it's one of those drives that like, okay, cool.

531

00:38:47,816 --> 00:38:52,715

At least you have a scenic view or if it's one of these things where you're like, yep,

here's seven hours of highway.

532

00:38:52,715 --> 00:38:55,426

Yeah, it's the longest drive I've ever done.

533

00:38:55,426 --> 00:38:57,667

Normally I am passenger princess.

534

00:38:57,667 --> 00:39:06,913

Like if I ever go anywhere, like I will normally not be driving, not because I don't enjoy

it, just because for example, like my partner might enjoy the drive a bit more, but it was

535

00:39:06,913 --> 00:39:08,693

the longest one and I was fully on my own.

536

00:39:08,693 --> 00:39:09,694

And do know what?

537

00:39:09,694 --> 00:39:12,065

Like I actually just really loved podcasts.

538

00:39:12,065 --> 00:39:13,111

Like I don't know what it is.

539

00:39:13,111 --> 00:39:15,888

I think it's because it's not music.

540

00:39:15,888 --> 00:39:17,569

it's like a constant story.

541

00:39:17,569 --> 00:39:20,310

So listening to like a podcast, yeah,

542

00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:21,532

I love, I didn't even stop.

543

00:39:21,532 --> 00:39:30,238

originally my plan was like, right, I'm gonna at least have one break and I'll do two lots

of six hour drives, give or take, two lots of three hour drives, give or take.

544

00:39:30,238 --> 00:39:31,819

I just went straight through, it was great.

545

00:39:31,819 --> 00:39:33,880

I really enjoyed it, it was fabulous.

546

00:39:33,951 --> 00:39:37,833

That's a champion, being able to drive like that distance and not stop.

547

00:39:37,833 --> 00:39:46,117

I've done those kinds of things before with friends, with family, because I lived in

Florida for years and we would come up north to New York to do whatever in Jersey.

548

00:39:46,117 --> 00:39:55,082

You have the choice of, if you're driving, to do the stops, to make a trip out of it, or

just to do a straight shot of 24 hours.

549

00:39:55,082 --> 00:40:02,797

When I was younger and my dad was younger and my mom was younger, we used to just do the

straight shoot, maybe stop off every like 10 hours or so, and it'd be okay.

550

00:40:02,797 --> 00:40:08,691

long drives if you have music or you have podcasts or whatnot different scenario

altogether yeah

551

00:40:08,691 --> 00:40:12,953

I think, yeah, like I just, don't know why I just couldn't really do it with just music

alone.

552

00:40:12,953 --> 00:40:15,836

So I think you definitely need a distraction and stuff.

553

00:40:15,836 --> 00:40:20,900

We don't do a ton of like super, super long distant drives, as you can imagine.

554

00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:31,486

when it comes to weddings, it's more difficult because there's, you've got to like bring

all of your gear, you've got to do the work, you've got to prep the night before, and then

555

00:40:31,486 --> 00:40:34,087

you've got to like normally like stay at a hotel and stuff as well.

556

00:40:34,087 --> 00:40:36,851

So it can be like a really long work day.

557

00:40:36,851 --> 00:40:37,471

Yeah.

558

00:40:37,471 --> 00:40:38,651

Yeah, totally.

559

00:40:38,651 --> 00:40:40,351

And I don't...

560

00:40:40,351 --> 00:40:45,931

I think when people travel, they're just like, man, if you're traveling for music, it's

like one of the coolest things in the world.

561

00:40:45,931 --> 00:40:47,351

I'm like, oh, it still works!

562

00:40:47,671 --> 00:40:48,909

It still is, definitely.

563

00:40:48,909 --> 00:40:54,486

And then you've to like manage like the mental toll that it takes because you have

traveled.

564

00:40:54,486 --> 00:41:02,576

Like I think the way there was definitely like easier and the way back probably felt a

little bit harder because it was like, great, the work is done.

565

00:41:02,576 --> 00:41:04,448

Now I'm just tired.

566

00:41:04,991 --> 00:41:06,031

Absolutely, yeah.

567

00:41:06,031 --> 00:41:11,434

Let's talk briefly also about some of the covers that you've continued to do, right?

568

00:41:11,434 --> 00:41:16,837

Because I think for a lot of people, we've started to see so many different styles, so

many different covers.

569

00:41:16,837 --> 00:41:20,119

You know, you've done lots of things, obviously, Sleep Token more recently.

570

00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:27,524

And if I'm just taking a quick look through, you've done Paramore also, which, you know,

your boy will always be Paramore fan.

571

00:41:27,524 --> 00:41:28,375

I love Paramore.

572

00:41:28,375 --> 00:41:32,628

So anyone that does amazing Paramore stuff like you do, please keep that going.

573

00:41:32,628 --> 00:41:39,900

Lincoln Park also, I'm always very happy about because, huge Lincoln Park fan and I think

that...

574

00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:44,173

Emily has done a great job filling in and becoming part of that band.

575

00:41:44,173 --> 00:41:47,515

So again, you have great choices in what you've done.

576

00:41:47,515 --> 00:41:49,956

You obviously put your own spin on them, which is great.

577

00:41:49,956 --> 00:42:00,243

For you when you're choosing covers that you do on socials, I know that there's an element

of what's out right now, but you seem to run the gamut of all these different covers.

578

00:42:00,243 --> 00:42:06,527

Is there a bit of a process for you in terms of what you choose, what you choose to do

longer form of, what you choose to do shorter form of?

579

00:42:06,527 --> 00:42:08,488

Walk us through a little bit of like,

580

00:42:08,488 --> 00:42:11,413

why you've chosen some of the songs that you've chosen.

581

00:42:11,413 --> 00:42:15,484

if you've seen that, you've been like, hey, these are ones I enjoy a bit more than others.

582

00:42:15,484 --> 00:42:23,224

Yeah, I mean, I think it's like a combination of like, has to tick like a bunch of boxes,

right?

583

00:42:23,224 --> 00:42:29,204

So it has to be a song that I genuinely enjoy because it's gonna be rubbish if it's not a

song that I enjoy.

584

00:42:29,204 --> 00:42:39,024

It could be a song that maybe like has screams in it, but I can still be creative with it

because like, know, there's kind of like, I feel like there's bit of a divided part of the

585

00:42:39,024 --> 00:42:45,912

internet where people think that when you do covers, either has to be, they either think

that you're trying to

586

00:42:45,912 --> 00:42:53,999

as good as or better than the original or you're trying to replace the original in some

way and there are people that think if it's not going to be close to the original it has

587

00:42:53,999 --> 00:43:02,906

to be completely like a whole different you know unique take on the track and I always

every now and then in my comments I always say to people like you know that musicians are

588

00:43:02,906 --> 00:43:11,122

just people that enjoy music right like it never I never have to just because I've done a

cover it doesn't mean that I'm trying to be I'm not trying to be Hayley Williams I'm not

589

00:43:11,122 --> 00:43:15,025

trying to be Emily Armstrong I just like music as well like that is a

590

00:43:15,025 --> 00:43:18,138

completely reasonable reason to choose a song and sing it.

591

00:43:18,138 --> 00:43:20,980

So like enjoyment, think has to be like number one for me.

592

00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:28,365

But every now and then like, for example, let's take Sleep Token as an example, like, you

know, they've just released music, they've got a really great album that everyone is

593

00:43:28,365 --> 00:43:28,866

loving.

594

00:43:28,866 --> 00:43:33,749

There are some songs of theirs that I really like, there are some songs of theirs that I

just can't get behind.

595

00:43:33,749 --> 00:43:35,470

And that's just personal preference.

596

00:43:35,470 --> 00:43:40,695

If there's a song that is like, like the most recent one that I did, that would be, I

think

597

00:43:40,695 --> 00:43:46,702

I've done quite a few takes of, I've forgotten the name of it now, but it's on the tip of

my tongue and I can see it in my head.

598

00:43:46,702 --> 00:43:51,478

um No, the other one, there's something else as well that I've done.

599

00:43:51,478 --> 00:43:53,930

Is there something else that I've done or is it just emergence?

600

00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:55,471

You've probably done other things.

601

00:43:55,471 --> 00:43:56,703

done quite a few, yeah.

602

00:43:56,703 --> 00:43:58,564

Let's use like Democles as an example.

603

00:43:58,564 --> 00:44:10,932

So um with Democles, I've done a cover with a friend and we decided to go an octave up in

the chorus and that was just because I loved his piano and it was fun to go an octave up.

604

00:44:10,932 --> 00:44:22,146

There are other songs of Sleep Tokens that I've done where I'll keep the original key and

I typically have a lower than normal voice for a woman.

605

00:44:22,146 --> 00:44:30,626

But I'm not saying that I am the lowest speaking person, but generally my tone is quite

low Which is why it's fun because it's like I don't know someone else might sing it and

606

00:44:30,626 --> 00:44:36,974

then I'm like, that's that's a pretty low song and I'm like, hey, let me try that, you

know, it's kind of like, you know, you're listening to and you're like, I try that like,

607

00:44:36,974 --> 00:44:42,826

you know, I don't have to I don't have to change the key of their songs that I can sing it

fine And so it's fun just to try that out.

608

00:44:42,826 --> 00:44:50,202

But even as like we're talking I think we like we were talking about like Video game music

and our and my head as we were having that conversation

609

00:44:50,202 --> 00:45:00,549

pinged and went hasn't hasn't evanescence recently done an anime intro intro song and i i

think i've heard it but i wouldn't be able to like recall it and so my head is like just

610

00:45:00,549 --> 00:45:09,046

parked little note going you know what maybe i'll cover that maybe i'll listen to it and

if i if i like it i'll cover that later because it sparks interest in all the things that

611

00:45:09,046 --> 00:45:18,613

i like like anime video gamey-esque things love evanescence female singer like i want to i

want to try that and like you know there's also an element of when it you know

612

00:45:18,613 --> 00:45:22,456

back to the sleep-toking of songs again, is there enough in this...

613

00:45:22,456 --> 00:45:25,118

do I like this track enough that I can be creative with it?

614

00:45:25,118 --> 00:45:26,638

Can I change things?

615

00:45:26,638 --> 00:45:29,620

Can I instinctively listen to it and go that would be cool trying this?

616

00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:38,124

Like sometimes I'll just like sing a random riff or like if I'm working on a track I might

just be like I don't know downstairs and I'll just get my phone out and I'll sing a random

617

00:45:38,124 --> 00:45:47,508

riff and be like we could change that to this and that's kind of how I used to do my

covers anyway by like making tweaks and little melodic changes to things.

618

00:45:48,057 --> 00:45:49,077

I love that.

619

00:45:49,077 --> 00:45:54,837

And you you talk about something like sleep token too, and you're like, Hey, my voice is a

little bit lower and things like that.

620

00:45:54,837 --> 00:46:00,137

It's one of those things that also gives you a bit of a unique edge to be able to try

different things too.

621

00:46:00,137 --> 00:46:04,597

You know, I think that there's a lot of cover acts out there who just do the cover, right?

622

00:46:04,597 --> 00:46:05,997

They just do the thing.

623

00:46:05,997 --> 00:46:15,397

But like, I think when you can really make it your own, like you have with a lot of these

songs, even if it's very much in the style of what it previously was, it gives you that

624

00:46:15,397 --> 00:46:16,297

difference, right?

625

00:46:16,297 --> 00:46:18,123

That people can come back to and they're like, Oh,

626

00:46:18,123 --> 00:46:21,246

yeah, this person did it really, really well in their own style.

627

00:46:21,246 --> 00:46:23,608

But really, you're just doing it as you would.

628

00:46:23,608 --> 00:46:25,179

And I think that's really cool too.

629

00:46:25,179 --> 00:46:26,731

And the Sleep Token stuff is awesome.

630

00:46:26,731 --> 00:46:29,614

I am somebody who's starting to get into Sleep Token.

631

00:46:29,614 --> 00:46:34,198

I am somebody that can name one or two songs and that's it, and people are gonna find me.

632

00:46:34,198 --> 00:46:37,280

That's totally cool because I need to be flamed because they're great.

633

00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,752

They're awesome.

634

00:46:38,752 --> 00:46:45,427

So it's one of these things where there's so much music out there and it's just like,

again, you can do your take on all of them in that way.

635

00:46:45,427 --> 00:46:46,968

I've got two more questions for...

636

00:46:46,968 --> 00:46:49,021

and then we'll head on out of here.

637

00:46:49,021 --> 00:47:02,985

So the first one I ask everybody, even people who aren't into wrestling so much right now,

are if you had to put together one or two matches of musicians for a wrestling card, a

638

00:47:02,985 --> 00:47:06,249

wrestling card being matches for a show, right?

639

00:47:06,249 --> 00:47:08,391

What would those matches be?

640

00:47:08,391 --> 00:47:09,631

Let's do two.

641

00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:14,603

Okay, can you give me an example so I know what I'm...

642

00:47:14,603 --> 00:47:17,780

Because I'm not gonna lie, I'm a bit confused.

643

00:47:17,780 --> 00:47:18,721

yeah, all good.

644

00:47:18,721 --> 00:47:25,466

So if you had to put together a show where it was wrestling matches featuring musicians,

who would they be?

645

00:47:25,466 --> 00:47:27,287

Some examples before?

646

00:47:28,168 --> 00:47:38,736

Yeah, like one has been a tag team match pitting Trivium versus Bullet for my Valentine

for many reasons, but just so you kind of get the context of what that is.

647

00:47:39,209 --> 00:47:41,422

Okay, one of them would be Linkin Park.

648

00:47:41,422 --> 00:47:43,505

Because I had this conversation with someone the other day.

649

00:47:43,505 --> 00:47:49,731

Let's say Linkin Park and Evanescence because I feel like and let's ignore the fact that

they both have female singers for now.

650

00:47:49,731 --> 00:47:52,253

I feel like they're both like legacy bands.

651

00:47:52,253 --> 00:47:57,838

And when I say legacy bands, mean bands of that era, who were like, you know, early 2000s.

652

00:47:57,838 --> 00:48:02,841

And they were really and they're still here to this day doing the awesome music.

653

00:48:04,226 --> 00:48:04,898

I can get with that.

654

00:48:04,898 --> 00:48:06,500

Yeah, that's a good one.

655

00:48:06,743 --> 00:48:07,444

I can get with that.

656

00:48:07,444 --> 00:48:08,966

And how about one more?

657

00:48:09,067 --> 00:48:13,004

yeah, okay, let's do someone current.

658

00:48:13,004 --> 00:48:15,907

I had an idea that popped into my head, but I don't feel like that would work.

659

00:48:15,907 --> 00:48:21,309

Okay, we'll use, on the spot, okay, okay, Spirit Box and...

660

00:48:21,309 --> 00:48:22,503

Dayseeker.

661

00:48:23,154 --> 00:48:23,975

Ooh, okay.

662

00:48:23,975 --> 00:48:25,856

Spirit Box versus Dayseeker.

663

00:48:25,856 --> 00:48:26,777

can do that.

664

00:48:26,777 --> 00:48:29,960

I'm all about Spirit Box right now too after the Jimmy Kimmel performance.

665

00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,302

like, yeah.

666

00:48:32,403 --> 00:48:37,327

Automatically, I'd want to ref that match because I would totally be on the side of Spirit

Box.

667

00:48:37,327 --> 00:48:39,729

I'm not cutting any corners, guys.

668

00:48:39,729 --> 00:48:41,451

I would totally be in their corner.

669

00:48:41,451 --> 00:48:42,953

Give them all of the things.

670

00:48:42,953 --> 00:48:43,693

That was weird.

671

00:48:43,693 --> 00:48:46,105

But I would totally be in their corner.

672

00:48:46,105 --> 00:48:47,997

I would be like, hey, you want to use this?

673

00:48:47,997 --> 00:48:48,778

You want to do this?

674

00:48:48,778 --> 00:48:49,979

I don't see anything.

675

00:48:49,979 --> 00:48:50,809

Great.

676

00:48:50,836 --> 00:48:51,577

So last...

677

00:48:51,577 --> 00:48:52,756

What is happening on my voice now?

678

00:48:52,756 --> 00:48:54,158

Give me one second, I'm sorry.

679

00:48:55,459 --> 00:48:56,359

Cool.

680

00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:57,300

There we go.

681

00:48:57,300 --> 00:48:59,482

So, last question before we get out of here.

682

00:48:59,482 --> 00:49:08,568

I ask all the people who come on this show, if you had to create a playlist for Spotify

with three songs that represent you, what would those songs be?

683

00:49:08,568 --> 00:49:20,429

Lincoln Park in the end, Spirit Box, Blessed Be, and it'd probably be bit of a cheat to

use one of my own songs.

684

00:49:21,309 --> 00:49:22,189

okay.

685

00:49:23,149 --> 00:49:26,009

We'll do Adeline, the hardest part.

686

00:49:26,629 --> 00:49:27,449

Yeah.

687

00:49:27,651 --> 00:49:29,083

I mean, I'm all into that.

688

00:49:29,083 --> 00:49:37,293

Yeah, no, people have used their own, and also, you hit those very quickly, a lot of

people are just like, this is the hardest question I'm asked ever.

689

00:49:37,293 --> 00:49:45,577

know what it is again like, you know, Linkin Park like they were like the first band that

got me into like rock music and everything and I saw them very recently and it was an

690

00:49:45,577 --> 00:49:47,038

awesome experience.

691

00:49:47,038 --> 00:49:49,639

So like they are one of like my ride or dies.

692

00:49:49,639 --> 00:50:00,514

Spirit Box are a band that I only really got into maybe like a few years ago or so maybe a

little bit longer but like they represent like so much of what I do in music as well like

693

00:50:00,514 --> 00:50:06,847

the like a mixture of like all of like the harsh and the rock and that and also the

ambience and then the melodicness of

694

00:50:06,847 --> 00:50:20,015

Courtney and then Adeline the hardest part I think is a really good example of the kind of

original work that I do as me as a musician so pretty rounded there I may have struggled

695

00:50:20,015 --> 00:50:22,637

with the match but I knew what the answer was there

696

00:50:22,637 --> 00:50:23,398

I love that.

697

00:50:23,398 --> 00:50:27,229

Well, Christina, thank you so much for spending some time today and chatting about all

things.

698

00:50:27,229 --> 00:50:36,102

You are a very diverse person and I love the fact that you do so many things in the music

industry and I think it's important for people to know about all those different things.

699

00:50:36,102 --> 00:50:41,164

I think it's important for musicians who are listening to be like, hey, there's lots of

different ways to do this.

700

00:50:41,164 --> 00:50:47,515

And I think for anyone listening who's not a musician, it's just cool to be able to

showcase, hey, you don't just do one thing, you do so many.

701

00:50:47,515 --> 00:50:49,055

So thank you for hanging out with us today.

702

00:50:49,055 --> 00:50:50,156

Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

703

00:50:50,156 --> 00:50:50,870

It's been awesome.