Downstait's Zack Call on Cody Rhodes Theme, Indi Hartwell Theme, Wrestling Entrance Themes

Ladies and gentlemen, a man who is infinitely cooler than I will ever be, a gentleman who

shares the space and I say shares, but is basically one of the gentlemen who runs the

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space with he and the boys in downstate.

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Zach, ladies and gentlemen.

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What's happening everybody?

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Thank you for the kind intro.

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We have shared this space for a while now.

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We have been on a track together.

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It still kicks ass and anytime I can put over major players, I will.

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I listen to that while I work out.

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It still fucking rocks.

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Let's fucking go.

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Hell yeah, me too.

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And it's probably one of my favorite ones that I've done too.

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Also one of the quickest, which is one of the craziest things too.

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So it's funny you say that, one of the biggest things that we pride ourselves on when

anybody comes to us is, yeah, we can get that done.

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And we mean it.

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A lot of the time it's just either OCD or just being the most anal people in the world,

like, hey, we'll get this job done, we'll send it out.

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And we're hoping the first run on this is exactly what they were thinking.

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A lot of times we think that we know what they mean and what they want.

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and we like to get it done as quick as possible and get the yes and move forward.

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I love that.

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And it's also for me on the other side.

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I've played in bands so many years in my life and I still love to collaborate with people,

but it's, you know, doing this and doing it the way that I even do it.

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A lot of the times I like to be able to do exactly like you said, cool, let's go, let's

get it and let's get it back out.

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Right?

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And whenever I collaborate with somebody for me, I'm always just like, oh, well now

there's this additional wrinkle where somebody lives, do they have recording gear?

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Like, you know, now you're working with somebody and you're trying to put all these things

together, but.

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Yeah, going back and forth with you guys, was just like, first off, thank you for having

me on the track.

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Second, it was just like, here's this riff.

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here's this riff.

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All right, cool.

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We'll get this recorded.

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my God, it's done.

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What did we do?

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So you led us to the water quite a bit on that one.

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Brian's song was killer and it gave me a lot.

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Matt is such a good fucking dude.

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Every time he wants something, he comes to us and then we try to get it out.

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Because busy as that dude is, he needs a turnaround on it.

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And Matt has been probably a bigger product in us being able to turn stuff around than

anybody in the business.

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He gets us...

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ready to go but your your Brian song really really that's funny that I said Brian song on

this let's cry about football but that song was so killer and then when that title came

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out it's one of those where I'll pat myself on the back but like mixing our two titles in

really quick helped me finish that song very very quickly when the lights go down and

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like the ride is over, it was too perfect, too easy, and it's wrestling, so you can be a

little cheesy, but that song, again, I love that tune, it's a killer, killer tune, I

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really want people to find it again, whenever they get back together, it's gonna be really

cool to hear that song again.

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yeah.

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And I remember when you hit those lyrics, the ride is over.

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Like I had no idea what you're going to do lyrically, but you know, was like, all right,

cool.

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Maybe we could take a riff from this song and this song and the kind of piece.

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And there's all these different elements there.

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And you hit that ride is over the way the melody was.

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was like, damn, that's, that's legit.

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It's still good, like sometimes I fall into, I accidentally fall into some cool shit.

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That was definitely one of those times.

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I'm always going to give you a hard time though.

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And now I can give you a hard time officially here.

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Cause when you were on Christie's show, you were like, man, yeah, we just, like, he was

like, what are some songs that you, know where I'm going?

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What are some songs that like fly under the radar a little bit?

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And you're like, man, buddy Murphy's is one that's real great.

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We just finished one up with a John Krieger and I'm like, I don't know where to go.

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Do I just change my name and run with that?

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Or do I just do my thing and just, Hey, I don't know.

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John Kiernan Kriega.

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Let's go.

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No, apologies forever.

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I talked to Justin.

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I'm actually in his studio right now.

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And he just goes, Kiernan.

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Like I fucking know, man.

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I fucked it up already.

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Never again.

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But it felt so bad.

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I'm like, God damn it.

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we did the thing where he's like, you got anything that you want to leave out?

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And we went for like an hour.

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And I got to be honest, I had a few.

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libations during that thing and I was like, nope, we're good.

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Print it.

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Everything was perfect.

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We're good here.

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And I love how you bring up libations because you're talking about the one and only who

everybody knows what you guys have done throughout the industry.

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You've worked with Ziegler, you've worked with him as Ryan Nemeth, you've worked with Miz,

you've worked with everybody.

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But talking about libations, I think it's a perfect segue into talking about obviously

Cody Rhodes, who I know you guys talk about all the time.

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You guys have done an awesome rendition as well.

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the original kingdom, but just, want to say just as somebody who's kind of come up behind

you guys and has been an admirer of you before I started doing this, you guys keep

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crushing it and you hear that song all the time.

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And just as friends, like I'm always excited when I'm hearing that song out and just being

able to hit Justin up and you guys and just be like, guys, congratulations.

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Like this at WrestleMania now, this is here.

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This is everywhere.

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Just like you guys deserve all the credit in the world for that.

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Well, thank you so much.

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Honestly, much appreciated for all that love.

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It's it's always got to go back to Cody or Matt or Mike or Nick.

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Those guys have kept us in the loop for forever.

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So like I will put Matt over.

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I've done it on every podcast.

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I'll put Matt over to the end of time when Cody left.

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He put out a tweet and we asked Matt if he could get us in touch with him.

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We got in touch with them.

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We did the song and he's used it every day since he left WWE in 2016.

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So no to see where it's gone man all the all the memes all the the tick tocks.

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You know we're on ESPN now.

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Again we're riding this dude's coattails.

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It's a it's a killer song man.

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We dove in as fans.

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And just we followed him to the end, know, it's not the end yet.

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But that line was big because of how big of fans I always wanted to be a wrestler if I

couldn't be a rock star, you know, and I'm not that either.

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I'm a I'm an administrator to high school.

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But if if, you know, if sports didn't work out or the rock star thing didn't work out, was

like I always wanted to be a wrestler.

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So you study what you love I study music.

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I studied wrestling.

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I studied sports We followed Cody every step of the way.

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We're very very entertained and we're very Displeased with where he was going on his way

out We were kind of on our way out.

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We're not having a lot of success Matt gave us a lifeline with radio right there when

smackdown live happened we got a run at radio with him and it gave us a little bit of

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Landed the Cody thing and here we are now and the opportunities I will say are not done

yet.

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We're still getting some of the coolest shit in the world that I can't go into until

everything is all the T's across and all the I's are dotted.

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But there's more stuff coming with this tune and it's really, really fun to be a part of

it.

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Never thank all those guys enough.

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And you see all the things that have gone on with it.

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Like even now there's someone standing outside of WrestleMania.

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I forget which WrestleMania it was, but they were jamming it on saxophone and people will

walk it past.

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Yeah.

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I probably butchered his name now.

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It's probably Jeff, but, no, that, that dude on Twitter, man, he, does a lot of covers,

but he nailed kingdom, man.

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And we put that over any, any chance that we get that dude's a bad ass.

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I love that.

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And also with that song, you're talking about all these things that it's done and you guys

are always putting over people that are doing everything with your music.

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It's not like the song lives just in WWE or just with Cody.

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Like you guys are always seeing what people are doing with it and just sharing that out.

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What does it mean for you to be able to, in all these different eras, be able to have your

music that people are just like, man, this was part of my childhood.

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This is part of me as a grownup and I'm able to...

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to see that music move to all these different places.

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Yep, just going back to eight or nine year old Zach.

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You know if I wasn't in Music if I wasn't in sports if I wasn't wrestling this song has

gotten me back on the road as an artist And it's gotten me in so many sports venues

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Because the song is just bigger than wrestling a guy that pitched in the World Series

Tommy Calmi Uses it for his walkout song for the Yankees coming out of the bullpen So I'm

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getting played at fucking Yankee Stadium

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everybody there and they do the woe and everything.

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My buddy, he's a groundskeeper at Wrigley Field and he sent me videos and he, don't even

think he knew about Kingdom, but he's just like, Hey, this is my boy.

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played little league with the groundskeeper.

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He's got a buddy.

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He's got a brother that played in league as well.

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But he just would send me pictures or videos of when he's working on Wrigley Field, he's

playing, I came to play just cause it's like, this is, this is insane.

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How

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how just I couldn't be a wrestler, I couldn't be a rock star, couldn't whatever and now

all my stuff has been played at these, some of the most famous stadiums in the world.

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It's too cool, man.

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Not to mention like France, the France reaction to Kingdom is probably the coolest thing

that's ever happened in my life, honestly.

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It wasn't there, but that was the loudest anybody's ever been for that tune.

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It was too cool.

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And you're seeing all these different places across the globe just going crazy for it too.

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you know, Cody is all synced up for it.

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You guys are all synced up for it.

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Like everything is just, there's so much life left in it.

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And you think of themes throughout the years, you think of music that's followed wrestlers

throughout the years, but this one continues to take on new life everywhere it goes.

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Now we're in this different era of wrestling altogether, where you have all these

different companies, you have WWE just.

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Rocking and rolling like they're doing, you you have someone like this would have never

been heard of in the past either of somebody coming back to WWE and having this music

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that's traveled with them all over from ring of honor to AEW to all these different

places.

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And then all of a sudden comes back into WWE.

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It's like when you think of the modern tale of wrestling and you think of a wrestler going

to all these places and coming back, I think sometimes you'll get fans thinking like, you

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know, there is this tribalism with

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even wrestlers when we know it's not there, but you're starting to see these stories that

can be told of a wrestler, just not throughout one company, but from company to company.

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the music, that's why it's so special to see from my perspective too.

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That's part of their story.

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And it tells different parts of it.

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It tells different parts of his story, depending on where he is and what he's done.

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That's crazy too.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I give props to the new ownership across the land.

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Like I Triple H over on a podcast, like to get the guys their names when they leave there,

how big of a deal is that?

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Like you build your brand and then you, you you worked your whole life to get this career

and get up to that company and become this product for him.

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And then.

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you you're fired, you're released, or you walk away and you have that brand and they're

like, you can't use it anymore.

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That's gotta be the most terrifying thing in the world.

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I'm glad that they're letting them use their names and build off of what they already

have.

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And I'm also glad that they're kind of are releasing some of this licensing stronghold

that they had forever.

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I think Edge being a biggest star and getting Ulta Bridge over there.

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It's Ulta Bridge's song, so they could take it probably wherever, but I think that was

licensed out to...

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WWE for a very long time.

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And Cody again, if Cody doesn't do well, then we're not involved and we're back home just

being fans again.

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So props to him forever for becoming this megastar and doing everything he said he was

gonna do.

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But yeah, more props to just kind of where the world of wrestling is at and letting.

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guys live on what the careers they're trying to do.

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That's the bigger thing, I think, here.

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Yeah, I agree.

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And you mentioned something a little bit earlier that I kind of want to touch on briefly.

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You had mentioned that there was a point where you were doing a lot of themes.

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You're working with a lot of the different wrestlers.

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This was with radio.

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This was with Dolph Ziggler at that point.

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This was with Miz.

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So it's not like you guys are just doing modern things.

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People know you for work that you even done 2009, 2010, things of that nature.

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There was a little bit of that period.

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where I think they leaned really heavily on CFOs or things like that.

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And then all of a sudden the name Downstate comes back into the arena of professional

wrestling.

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There's that down period where you maybe had not been as active within the music point for

wrestling at that point.

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Did you guys think in that time period, hey, we should continue to try and work with

wrestlers at that point?

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Or were you just kind of like, hey, we're gonna go to a different, like walk us through a

little bit of.

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how it was during that down period and then the come back up I know was, you know, with

Matt Cardona and Cody and all them.

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Yeah, so won't dive too much back into that, but we had put out an album.

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It did fine.

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We were on the road with it.

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Full disclosure, we were a little tired.

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We were on the road for about four five years consecutive.

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My brother had, when we were finishing the album, he had found out that he was going to

have his first child.

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And there's not, we're all brothers in this band.

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So like if he's going to be miserable because he can't see his son.

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Then nobody's gonna force the issue of my brother's that means between Sean and Justin

with their writing ability in this band Not only they keep us afloat, but they they pretty

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much were our sound from 2010 to 2013 so like if Nobody's gonna push a pry for them to

continue to do the road thing for sure So we never officially shut the doors on downstate,

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but once we got off the road, we definitely

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Sean went back to law school.

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I actually joined the military, joined the army, did a three by five there.

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And my brother is became a father, a two time father.

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So it was a secondary thing.

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It was a hobby.

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After Jim left WWE, we stopped getting those calls.

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We were good buddies with the CFOs, but they burned quickly.

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And we never ended up getting to work with them.

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Matt happened.

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Cody happened.

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Britt happened and then the ball started rolling again.

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Dustin happened.

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We started getting Buddy happened.

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It just was like one a year, two a year and it's like, guys, we still are something.

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And Kingdom really was pushing not so much financially, but it was pushing enough to say,

hey guys, we still got it here.

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We can keep doing this and maybe.

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put our focus here.

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Now, that's not to say we don't write stuff that isn't just for wrestlers.

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We do have an album coming out.

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We've put out a couple of the tunes or one tune in a video called sleep.

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but we know where our bread and butter is.

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we're, really good being lifelong fans.

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we're really good at knowing what they're trying to portray and they're really good at

telling us, Hey, this is kind of the song that I want to go to.

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this is what I like by you guys.

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This is what I like if I could have it.

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as far as that process goes, but we, since we went on this Jericho cruise, we have, it's

been more like our main job.

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and not so much the secondary hobby.

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last two years, it's not been so much the, the hobby.

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We've just kind of been busy with, with jobs.

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Jericho cruise specifically, we've gotten a lot of job offers and lot of people wanting to

work with us and we are, we are moving.

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Trying to move as quickly as possible with all the jobs that we have going on right now.

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It's really, really cool.

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And honestly, the GCW event with Matt having us play out, that has gotten us into a

different stratosphere again, where our numbers are spiking.

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People didn't know that we did his song.

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And now that song's increased by something like 45 % of its, times are good right now for

us.

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We're having a good couple months in 2025.

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Good start.

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How do people not know that you did when the lights go down?

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That's pretty crazy.

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So he's done everything to promote the shit out of that.

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mean, two time indie wrestler of the year back to back.

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Sometimes it takes the right platform and that dude has has built the right platform and

we're we're just stoked again.

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He is he's given us every job opportunity, including working like he got us connected with

his wife and she's the biggest sweetheart.

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She behind the scenes is one of the biggest plugs that we have.

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Chelsea is just the biggest sweetheart in the world.

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Matt does everything for us, that dude puts anything he puts on his story has got when the

lights go down on it.

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That GCW event, he felt like a mega star and we were so happy that we could be a part of

that.

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There's a lot of really, really put over the photographer, Nick Karp.

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There's a cool shot of me singing his lyrics while he's his pose on the stage.

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It's probably the coolest thing I've ever.

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like done visually.

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It's just so awesome and we can't thank him enough for letting us be a part of that.

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GCW is fucking awesome too, man.

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Yeah.

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Anybody that hasn't gotten into GCW, it's, it really is another one of these brands to

keep looking out for.

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And I think people throw it under the radar sometimes because you know, you have TNA of

WWE of all these different things, like AEW too, sorry, but like GCW is a contender, man.

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You get some of the best wrestling on there.

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You get lots of different styles.

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And like you said, Matt Cardone is there.

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It's just, again, it's such a great brand to be on.

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And

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seeing you guys again, you have such an electric energy as a front man too.

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And you know that I'm not telling you anything you don't know already, but just, can't

even remember what it was that you said before he came out.

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But like you were given the audience a hard time too.

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You're like, we're downstate something.

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And then like, I can't even remember what it was, but I'm like, my God, he's playing it

too.

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Here we go.

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So

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I don't know how much we're allowed to give up the K-Fabe here, but Matt came up to us

after rehearsal and he said, hey man, if you wanna get some booze or whatever, feel free,

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I'm the bad guy.

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Said like, even F words?

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And he goes, yeah, whatever, you're musician, I don't have to tell you, work him over.

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And I said, you got it.

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So funny enough, the night before, I'd never seen Book of Mormon and I'm a humongous South

Park fan.

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So we're in New York, I'm going on Broadway, I went with Sean and he didn't even have to

really push or pull.

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I'm a big Lions fan and I actually missed the first half of them losing to Washington

because I needed to see Book of Mormon.

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So I go to see Book of Mormon and I'm saying all this like in my head about what I'm gonna

say to this GCW fans to get them to start booing me.

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And Sean just looks at me and he goes, you know what Trey Parker would do?

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He would get him up here.

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Hey, we're downstate and we're here to deliver a message.

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And what would he do, Sean?

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He goes, go fuck yourselves.

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So hit him with that.

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And dude, honestly, it was more of like a.

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I'm a big Norm MacDonald fan and he would get purposeful stale like bomb energy and it was

closer to that than like I got a few but it was more like what the fuck did he just say?

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nor McDonald's the man I can't even he had one of these jokes which was just like they

rated the somewhere between shit and fucking shit so good

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So I guess just to go completely off topic, I guess when he would bomb early in his

career, he would go stand at the door and shake everybody's hands and introduce himself on

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their way out just to make it even more awkward.

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my God.

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And you know, it was such a fun thing to see too, cause like there's a lot of people who

have played people out to the ring and they're off to the side or in the background, you

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know, but like you see motionless and white playing real Ripley out and they're getting

invested with the crowd.

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They're doing all that.

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And then you see you guys doing the same thing.

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It's like, I think what's happening in wrestling now is you're getting more interactivity

throughout the set.

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of wrestling, you know, the musicians are now interacting, the wrestlers are interacting

with all of the people on the side of the stage or interacting with the crew.

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It's like before it used to just be about what's going on in the ring, what's going on in

the ramp.

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It was very myopic.

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Now it's like, you can use anything and do anything you want to within what's on the

camera and what's in the arena.

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And that's such a dynamic shift.

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And with someone like you, who's so good with commanding the audience and controlling the

audience, it's like,

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There he is, there's Zach doing his thing.

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And then you put you on the, go ahead, yeah.

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so, give Derek a shout out here.

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They, whoever was on and like their, their truck or their, their production head gave

Derek the, okay, for me to, go, but they had a vignette going.

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So if you listen and watch that set again on the vie feed, you hear me yell hammerstein or

whatever.

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Like I yell it.

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Cause I got the, what I did on our countdown here.

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I got the, and go.

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got them up and then they put me on for a second and then they go to Matt's intro feed.

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I'm just sitting there like a dumb ass.

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I'm just smiling like whatever, it's live, let's go with it and then we get into it or

whatever.

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It is funny you say everything's interactive.

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So Allie Catch, we're very happy she ended up getting all of her GoFundMe filled but she

had a terrible injury in like a...

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Like an early, like a mid main, she was the number one contender.

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I don't know who was supposed to win or whatever, but there was a little bit of, uh, can

we use your drum set in the main event?

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Like somebody wanted to go through it.

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We're like, yeah, fuck it.

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We'll leave it set up for you.

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And then that, I guess was scrapped or they just didn't get there to their, uh, their

improv or move there enough in their match.

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Um, but there's, if you look at that main event, everything's struck.

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I think even the cymbals are struck on the drum set, we left, you know, snare, hi-hat,

kick up there for them to be thrown through.

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They didn't end up doing it at the end, but that was gonna, we were gonna be performance

art for sure.

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my God.

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That's such a cool story too.

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if that comes to, if that had come to fruition at that point, forget it.

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And again, big props to GCW for doing some cool stuff like that too.

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And being like, Hey, you know what?

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Let's really just break out of the box.

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Let's do some more and talking about that.

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You guys just released as of this recording, Indie Heartwell's new theme, which is, and

I'm going to say this the way I've said it to everybody that I've worked with and who I

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know that you've worked with.

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I've always positioned myself as a composer being like, okay, like thinking more of like,

I can do a lot of different styles, but like really kind of weird shit too.

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You know what I mean?

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And I was saying this to Justin a while ago.

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go, dude, you can come up with something like Indie Heartwell Steam wasn't out at that

point.

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So I didn't tie it there, but I was like, you guys can write all of this different music

for people.

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It could sound so different.

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But whereas I'm kind of like, mask a lot of who I am and what I would do.

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I'm like, all right, cool.

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It's really stylistic.

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I'm like, no matter what you guys do, even when you're doing like an indie Hartwell theme,

it sounds like downstate.

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And it's so cool.

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Like I was listening to it at the gym this morning and I was listening to it like two or

three times.

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Cause like the first time I heard it, was like, okay, this is great.

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Then you're at the gym, you're kind of in your zone and you're listening to it and you're

like, this has a lot of biscuit in it.

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Wait, these are really cool lyrics.

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and it just has layers, man.

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It's so good.

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Walk us through a little bit on like how you guys were jamming on Indy Hartwell's theme,

how that came up and what was the ask even from that?

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I almost feel like she was like, I want something Limp Bizkit style.

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So yeah, she's a student of the game big time.

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could tell she came up, either started her fandom during Attitude Era or that's just her

bread and butter.

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She's one of the coolest chicks, period.

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She's put us over everything that we've done so far.

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So how that started again, but over Chelsea.

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Chelsea's our plug, just reached out.

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specific, there's a group of releases about six months ago and Tom and Indy were a part of

it and we, I think, and I'm sure we'll get into Tom a little bit, but we are such big fans

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of both, like we were watching NXT because of Indy's run, her Dexter stuff.

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I thought that was some of the most entertaining television on the planet and top of that

she can fucking wrestle, like she's really, really good.

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And then Tom, think is like the most, if I'm a diehard wrestling fan, think Seamus and

Baron Corbin are two of the most underrated superstars that have ever graced this planet.

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So I asked Chelsea if she could, know, hey, you know, I don't have these people's numbers,

but you, I have yours.

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Do you mind the plug?

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She said, no problem.

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She hooked us up.

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Sammy had, had

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She knows who we are through all of our stuff that we've had on, you know, WWE or AEW.

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And she liked what we did for Buddy.

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He really, I think he only used it in New Japan, but it was, he had kind of the same

directive, which was, really like Limp Bizkit.

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Can you do it?

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I'll put that song over forever.

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We threw a little bit of stereo mud thing in the second verse of that.

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It's one of the heaviest things we've ever written.

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I think that song's bad ass.

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It's called Secret No More.

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But with Indy, she asked something similar and that was a song that she picked out.

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So my brother dove in with all the music and then I said, well, that's the style that she

wants is actually Sean's, but I can, I'll write it.

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And then Sean, when he gets to do any of his rap, he just dives in and just gets goofy and

like he loves playing that character.

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So got him on it.

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I wrote really, it's.

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It is the melody, but Sean gases it up and makes all my stuff sexier.

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So he did that.

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She gave us some punch words and what she wanted to do.

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And the heart won't quit.

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The hard to lose heart won't quit is very similar to to our song to major players where it

was kind of the first thing I wrote.

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And I was like, damn, that's pretty fucking good.

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I hope she likes it.

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And then she's putting it on a lot of her stuff.

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Now it's the title of the song.

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But she liked it.

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She was getting a lot of a lot of her friends in the business were putting the song over

for her when she was testing it out.

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And like I said, she's done so much already to put the song over.

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The song's doing well for us on all of our streaming.

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And we can't wait.

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She I don't think she's used it yet.

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I don't think she's performed with it yet.

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So we're very excited to see it when she comes out with it and see where.

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where she takes this song.

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She's still in our mind, she's gonna be a megastar.

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So we're very excited to be a part of her run.

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You talked about Seamus and you talked about Tom.

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I got to throw Indy in there too, because any of the work that you see from her in the

ring is top notch.

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And she's somebody who you know has such a strong wrestling background and then can do the

stuff with Dexter Loomis and then can go on her YouTube and be just charming as hell and

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then can do all of these different things.

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And like you hear a song like that.

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And it's funny for me, I'd have never picked that out for something that Indy would have,

but you know what?

415

00:27:22,745 --> 00:27:25,395

You're going to see her rock out to that.

416

00:27:25,395 --> 00:27:27,916

on TV and anywhere else that she goes.

417

00:27:27,916 --> 00:27:30,976

Like she's going to make that song just like you guys made it for her.

418

00:27:30,976 --> 00:27:34,639

And it's just going to be such an awesome thing seeing her rip to it live.

419

00:27:34,639 --> 00:27:38,911

And it just kind of, I think speaks to a lot of who Indie Hartwell is.

420

00:27:38,911 --> 00:27:40,081

First off, lyrics are great.

421

00:27:40,081 --> 00:27:41,122

Heart won't quit.

422

00:27:41,122 --> 00:27:51,176

The thing is too with that, when I first heard it, I was like, the way the melody kind of

sits against like, you know, it's a little bit off the da da da da, the heart won't quit.

423

00:27:51,176 --> 00:27:52,536

I was like, all right, cool.

424

00:27:52,536 --> 00:27:53,953

I'm like, wait, I messed up.

425

00:27:53,953 --> 00:27:54,933

And then I went back and listened.

426

00:27:54,933 --> 00:27:56,284

I'm like, that's hot.

427

00:27:56,284 --> 00:27:57,365

That's so hot.

428

00:27:57,365 --> 00:28:01,567

And I love how when like lyrics sit like that, it's like such a strong point in it.

429

00:28:01,567 --> 00:28:03,768

And heart won't quit is perfect.

430

00:28:03,768 --> 00:28:07,610

Like had that not been in there, it wouldn't have been indie song.

431

00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:09,311

That's it's perfect.

432

00:28:09,485 --> 00:28:10,437

I appreciate that.

433

00:28:10,437 --> 00:28:14,221

can't remember what Biscuit song I had in my head for that.

434

00:28:14,221 --> 00:28:18,956

But there's definitely a Fred Durst off beat thing that he does live.

435

00:28:18,956 --> 00:28:21,817

And I can remember him doing his like gasp up thing that he does.

436

00:28:21,817 --> 00:28:26,030

I think it's something from Woodstock where he's just he's just on the end or whatever.

437

00:28:26,030 --> 00:28:32,474

And it's I was like, well, that I'm going to I'm going to do that, man, because I think it

goes nuts when it does counter.

438

00:28:32,562 --> 00:28:34,688

And it just sticks out a little bit more.

439

00:28:34,688 --> 00:28:36,341

It gets me going.

440

00:28:36,341 --> 00:28:39,409

I'm super proud that that came out kind of first.

441

00:28:39,409 --> 00:28:40,492

It's pretty fun.

442

00:28:40,492 --> 00:28:45,645

That'll be a song too that no matter where she goes and let's say she does go back to WWE

at one point.

443

00:28:45,645 --> 00:28:46,956

That's going to be another song.

444

00:28:46,956 --> 00:28:50,779

Honestly, that's going to be very like Cody's where that follows her.

445

00:28:50,779 --> 00:28:54,833

I don't, I say this with a lot of wrestlers is your song could evolve over time.

446

00:28:54,833 --> 00:28:58,626

when I've worked on Mercedes theme, Mercedes Martinez is theme.

447

00:28:58,626 --> 00:29:01,258

have a little melodic motif that goes through all of them.

448

00:29:01,258 --> 00:29:08,032

That's become like the Mercedes kind of vibe, even if she's teaming with like Diamante or

she's doing something for impact or AEW.

449

00:29:08,032 --> 00:29:09,627

And so the theme.

450

00:29:09,627 --> 00:29:12,119

I think we'll always follow that little thematic material.

451

00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:20,467

But I think as a piece of music, as just a song in general, Heart Won't Quit is going to

be one that sticks with Indie throughout the rest of her career.

452

00:29:20,467 --> 00:29:21,428

It's perfect for the name.

453

00:29:21,428 --> 00:29:24,773

It's perfect for the gimmick and just who she is and what you guys did.

454

00:29:24,773 --> 00:29:33,521

That to me, without like blowing smoke up anything or anything, it's just that really

embodies who she is and you guys just crushed it.

455

00:29:33,521 --> 00:29:35,138

So yeah.

456

00:29:35,138 --> 00:29:37,898

got a fire to her as well.

457

00:29:38,098 --> 00:29:42,338

So again, we ride the coattails of these performers.

458

00:29:42,338 --> 00:29:44,818

We're happy to be a part of it.

459

00:29:45,418 --> 00:29:47,718

Yeah, we certainly hope so.

460

00:29:47,718 --> 00:29:53,318

And the best part again, when we found out that she wasn't going to be Sammy, she was

going to be Indy.

461

00:29:53,318 --> 00:29:58,698

That was cool, but Heart Won't Quit doesn't need Indy Hartwell.

462

00:29:58,787 --> 00:30:02,983

So that was the other thing, was like, man, I'm gonna write that, I don't know what name

she's gonna go by.

463

00:30:02,983 --> 00:30:09,182

So that was the other kind of like, let's give a little homage to what she was before and

then we found out she's gonna keep using her name.

464

00:30:09,464 --> 00:30:12,227

it's dude, again, happy accident.

465

00:30:13,002 --> 00:30:13,574

I love that.

466

00:30:13,574 --> 00:30:20,608

And then you're talking about Tom also, former Baron Corbin, now Bishop Dyer, I think is

what his name is.

467

00:30:20,608 --> 00:30:24,172

I don't think he's started going by it yet, but I believe that's the plan.

468

00:30:24,172 --> 00:30:26,916

A bishop's higher than a baron.

469

00:30:26,916 --> 00:30:27,697

So that's the plan.

470

00:30:27,697 --> 00:30:28,780

He's leveling up.

471

00:30:28,780 --> 00:30:29,391

Yeah.

472

00:30:29,391 --> 00:30:30,532

And I love that.

473

00:30:30,532 --> 00:30:34,074

I first off going back to talking about underrated.

474

00:30:34,074 --> 00:30:35,075

Absolutely.

475

00:30:35,075 --> 00:30:39,248

He's one of those guys that in those last couple of months, people were like, you know

what?

476

00:30:39,248 --> 00:30:44,743

Baron Corbett doesn't suck your boy here throughout time has been like Baron doesn't suck.

477

00:30:44,743 --> 00:30:49,227

First off, start them off in NXT with the long hair and the whole lone Wolf thing.

478

00:30:49,227 --> 00:30:53,650

And the fact that he's got that whole rock metal vibe, your boy's known, he hasn't sucked

for years.

479

00:30:53,650 --> 00:30:58,530

I'm glad y'all I catch not you guys, but I'm glad the rest of y'all out there are catching

up to this fact.

480

00:30:58,530 --> 00:31:03,373

Then he goes, does all of the bum ass Corbin stuff and he's still great and he's got you

bowing him.

481

00:31:03,373 --> 00:31:07,335

He's got you saying he sucks and he does it cause he's that good.

482

00:31:07,335 --> 00:31:13,559

And then he goes back down to NXT and then he's like, I'm just going to show people that I

can do all of this stuff.

483

00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:15,620

And now y'all are like, he's great.

484

00:31:15,620 --> 00:31:19,045

And then he leaves WWE and now y'all like, he's great.

485

00:31:19,045 --> 00:31:25,188

So I'm really glad that he has all this stuff going and just hearing the bit from GCW

again.

486

00:31:25,306 --> 00:31:27,779

It sounds like it's going to be an awesome tune too.

487

00:31:28,058 --> 00:31:32,252

It's dude, it's one of the ones where we were kind of.

488

00:31:32,873 --> 00:31:36,675

We knew what direction he wanted to go into because of what we're fans of.

489

00:31:36,675 --> 00:31:39,647

Big, whatever kind of rock you want to call that new metal.

490

00:31:39,647 --> 00:31:45,579

Early 2000s, late 90s to like the 2000s, big seven dust fan.

491

00:31:45,579 --> 00:31:46,640

I love them to death.

492

00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:55,384

It's kind of what I designed or designed, but what I was inspired by and what I tried to

be mostly on stage with our show.

493

00:31:55,384 --> 00:32:05,734

presence which I'm glad you put that over before they are the coolest band we'd ever seen

in middle school and high school and then just LJ man I love just the passion and the soul

494

00:32:05,734 --> 00:32:14,562

that he put on to every record so that's kind of what I tried to do on everything so we

really knowing that he was a fan of that and when we had our early negotiations on the

495

00:32:14,562 --> 00:32:18,230

song we sought out to put out a really really

496

00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:24,170

awesome 7 Dust tune, which is kind of 80%, 75 % of what Downstate is anyways.

497

00:32:24,170 --> 00:32:30,050

If you really dive into us, we're very inspired by Linkin Park, Breaking Benjamin, 7 Dust.

498

00:32:30,050 --> 00:32:35,090

That's our bread and butter with a little bit of hair metal thrown somewhere in the back.

499

00:32:36,010 --> 00:32:38,890

But yeah, he's super cool dude.

500

00:32:39,570 --> 00:32:42,250

We put out this song and...

501

00:32:42,494 --> 00:32:44,286

We said, man, if he doesn't like it, we like it.

502

00:32:44,286 --> 00:32:48,732

And this is going to be an album song, not that's not putting down anything else.

503

00:32:48,732 --> 00:32:55,312

But a lot of these songs are job specific and don't know that it will fit the mold of the

story we're trying to tell with our albums.

504

00:32:55,312 --> 00:33:01,439

This one had a little bit of a vibe where it would it would meld a little bit with what

we're putting out.

505

00:33:01,796 --> 00:33:03,477

super easy to write for.

506

00:33:03,477 --> 00:33:08,242

We had a little bit more back and forth with him because he's got a very good vision of

where he wants to go.

507

00:33:08,242 --> 00:33:10,964

So it's very fun to work with this dude.

508

00:33:10,964 --> 00:33:18,972

Sean and I 50-50 these lyrics and melodies and that's usually when we get the best of the

band honestly.

509

00:33:18,972 --> 00:33:23,365

Again not to say that anything else is bad but when we're all sitting down and we're all

cooking

510

00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:27,662

somebody's challenging somebody to make everything better and it's it's pretty good.

511

00:33:27,662 --> 00:33:28,802

So I can't wait.

512

00:33:28,802 --> 00:33:30,244

This one's called live for revenge.

513

00:33:30,244 --> 00:33:34,186

There might be a surprise coming on it and that's why it's not out yet.

514

00:33:34,186 --> 00:33:44,111

Tom is using it as is whenever he's wrestling now, but the release is being stunted a

little bit because there might be a big surprise coming on it and that's pretty much the

515

00:33:44,111 --> 00:33:47,952

end of that combo as far as what I'm allowed to talk about with that.

516

00:33:48,336 --> 00:33:50,707

first rule of downstate is you don't talk about the surprises.

517

00:33:50,707 --> 00:33:52,879

The second rule is you don't talk about the surprises.

518

00:33:52,879 --> 00:33:54,640

That's so cool.

519

00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:03,205

you know, he's somebody that you saw, you've seen other interviews he's done and you just

see how he knows who he is, but he's humble.

520

00:34:03,205 --> 00:34:04,866

I've emailed him about being on the show.

521

00:34:04,866 --> 00:34:08,008

Hopefully he ends up being on the show, coming up at some point.

522

00:34:08,008 --> 00:34:12,250

And even just an email correspondence, one of the nicest dudes in the world.

523

00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:15,592

He's like, Hey man, I'm hanging out with my kids, all that kind of stuff.

524

00:34:15,592 --> 00:34:16,690

Like, dude.

525

00:34:16,690 --> 00:34:26,417

super cool stuff and just you always want to see people in this industry and just people

in general just really do well and just be good people and you could tell that that's what

526

00:34:26,417 --> 00:34:35,893

he's all about and he does have a vision for his character he knows where he wants to go

and you could even see that with the previous work he's done you could even see that going

527

00:34:35,893 --> 00:34:46,450

into GCW and wherever he ends up that song is going to be just a banger and just what you

heard in GCW sounded pretty heavy sounded really cool

528

00:34:46,494 --> 00:34:49,188

It's dude, it goes, man.

529

00:34:49,188 --> 00:34:53,374

It's gonna highlight the best part of me, the best part of Sean, best part of Justin.

530

00:34:53,374 --> 00:34:55,566

And it's just our alley, man.

531

00:34:55,566 --> 00:35:04,666

It's such a kickass song where again, like you said, his early NXT stuff, we're like,

dude, we should maybe keep an eye on this guy just for the entrance alone before we saw

532

00:35:04,666 --> 00:35:05,076

him go.

533

00:35:05,076 --> 00:35:08,469

We're like, this is probably gonna be a guy and I do give props to Justin.

534

00:35:08,469 --> 00:35:11,614

Justin saw it before any of us with him specifically.

535

00:35:11,614 --> 00:35:16,146

And then I remember I wanna say he had a match with American Alpha, him and Rhino.

536

00:35:16,146 --> 00:35:20,119

had a match with American Alpha in NXT way back in the day.

537

00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:27,463

it was one of the like there was a spot in the corner that he did that I'd never seen

before in a tag team match.

538

00:35:27,463 --> 00:35:37,508

And I think it led into the finish and I go whoever wrote that or whoever was a part of

that is just a genius because it was so out of left field when it happened.

539

00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:38,860

to the finish.

540

00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:39,920

was like, that's brilliant.

541

00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,780

That's what you want.

542

00:35:40,780 --> 00:35:46,120

You don't want everybody to anticipate everything that you do and everything he does is so

impactful.

543

00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,300

And he's a giant dude meeting him.

544

00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:49,480

I was like, holy shit.

545

00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,920

I'm a pretty big dude.

546

00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,960

Like this dude towered over me and he his hands were gigantic.

547

00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,200

But again, like you said, nicest dude in the world.

548

00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,080

Very, very easy to work with, knows what he wants.

549

00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,780

Um, and I'll put over that.

550

00:36:01,780 --> 00:36:02,980

He's a former athlete.

551

00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:07,180

like those movements might not be easy for him.

552

00:36:07,376 --> 00:36:10,801

being a giant, but he makes everything look as smooth as possible.

553

00:36:10,801 --> 00:36:11,866

He's a killer, man.

554

00:36:11,866 --> 00:36:12,888

It's awesome.

555

00:36:12,976 --> 00:36:17,871

I remember seeing him when he first started and just going all the way into different

aspects of his career.

556

00:36:17,871 --> 00:36:20,053

And three moves always got me.

557

00:36:20,053 --> 00:36:23,085

Obviously the end of days, because that thing is just dope.

558

00:36:23,085 --> 00:36:24,217

Who does that?

559

00:36:24,217 --> 00:36:27,019

The deep six, it's like, it comes out of anywhere.

560

00:36:27,019 --> 00:36:35,148

And for me, whenever I watch wrestling, I'm always very excited when I see a move come out

of like no setup.

561

00:36:35,148 --> 00:36:39,611

you know, which is always like Triple H when he would send people off the corner or

whatever and he'd do the drop knee.

562

00:36:39,611 --> 00:36:40,542

It was like, okay, cool.

563

00:36:40,542 --> 00:36:41,342

It's like a cutoff.

564

00:36:41,342 --> 00:36:41,933

It's awesome.

565

00:36:41,933 --> 00:36:43,184

But it came out of nowhere.

566

00:36:43,184 --> 00:36:46,926

And then he slides under the rope and then comes back on the other side.

567

00:36:46,926 --> 00:36:49,338

And it just, again, you don't see him set up for it.

568

00:36:49,338 --> 00:36:51,000

He's just like, I'm out of the ring now.

569

00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,381

And then I'm back in the ring.

570

00:36:52,381 --> 00:36:54,212

It's like one of the coolest things in the world.

571

00:36:54,212 --> 00:37:00,226

And like, it's little things like that, that it's like, it's athletic, but it shows that

he gets it too.

572

00:37:00,226 --> 00:37:03,148

It shows that it's not like everything needs to be set up.

573

00:37:03,148 --> 00:37:04,359

There's not like,

574

00:37:04,359 --> 00:37:05,029

a

575

00:37:20,718 --> 00:37:29,748

So sorry, I was all the way listening, but my nephew is definitely playing piano in the

next room, so I just had to text my brother and say, hey, maybe, can you hear that?

576

00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:31,441

Okay, cool, right on.

577

00:37:31,441 --> 00:37:32,524

here's the question.

578

00:37:32,524 --> 00:37:38,056

If your nephew plays a downstate song, it could be any of them, what song would he play?

579

00:37:38,552 --> 00:37:43,275

Ooh, probably whatever one he's listened to his dad play in the studio forever.

580

00:37:43,275 --> 00:37:45,536

Both my nephews are musically inclined.

581

00:37:45,536 --> 00:37:48,397

I think the younger one has perfect pitch already.

582

00:37:48,897 --> 00:37:51,752

But the older one is on drums and piano already.

583

00:37:51,752 --> 00:37:52,542

They're both.

584

00:37:52,542 --> 00:37:54,924

It's cool to see that they took more after.

585

00:37:54,924 --> 00:38:00,406

Like, I've got some of it with having Justin in my blood, but I'm more of an entertainer.

586

00:38:00,406 --> 00:38:08,813

Luckily I can write a hook every once in a while but like they are they all have the same

brain Where they how they attack music and stuff and it's cool to see that they're already

587

00:38:08,813 --> 00:38:14,116

one taking a liking to it But to their they're good at it early Yeah

588

00:38:14,116 --> 00:38:15,147

that with my daughter right now.

589

00:38:15,147 --> 00:38:16,068

She's two.

590

00:38:16,068 --> 00:38:19,110

She loves music and she does like the other kids programs.

591

00:38:19,110 --> 00:38:24,440

My son, you know, he's been down here in the studio and I've worked on themes and you

know, he's like, it sounds good.

592

00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:25,175

I'm like, what do want to do?

593

00:38:25,175 --> 00:38:26,115

He go play soccer.

594

00:38:26,115 --> 00:38:27,396

I'm like, all right.

595

00:38:27,550 --> 00:38:28,951

I'm like, that's cool, man.

596

00:38:28,951 --> 00:38:29,721

But you know what?

597

00:38:29,721 --> 00:38:33,314

When I put them in front of like an instrument, he's not guitar.

598

00:38:33,314 --> 00:38:35,676

He's not piano, but he's drums.

599

00:38:35,676 --> 00:38:40,739

And like I, he has a little drum set in his room and he, he dabbles on it every now and

again.

600

00:38:40,739 --> 00:38:43,512

But like, you could totally tell that this kid is built for sports.

601

00:38:43,512 --> 00:38:45,023

He's built for taekwondo.

602

00:38:45,023 --> 00:38:46,765

And I'm like, you know what, man?

603

00:38:46,765 --> 00:38:57,557

For me, I did taekwondo for about 10 years and I'd love to get back into it, but I found

my passion with music and I'm like, I don't ever, if my son gets into music, cool.

604

00:38:57,557 --> 00:39:04,664

But if he finds the things that he loves and that's what drives him, I'm like, dude,

that's more than I could ever ask for, you know?

605

00:39:05,052 --> 00:39:08,472

super funny you said that because I try to tell.

606

00:39:08,892 --> 00:39:13,812

I was pushed the wrong way by a baseball coach back in high school.

607

00:39:13,812 --> 00:39:15,672

We had a battle of the bands.

608

00:39:15,672 --> 00:39:17,192

We won this battle of bands.

609

00:39:17,192 --> 00:39:22,672

I was a sophomore or junior in high school and I had to leave a doubleheader early.

610

00:39:22,672 --> 00:39:25,472

So not only did I played one.

611

00:39:25,712 --> 00:39:28,412

But I had I played a lot of the second game.

612

00:39:28,412 --> 00:39:29,912

We were terrible mind you.

613

00:39:29,912 --> 00:39:31,292

I was really good.

614

00:39:31,292 --> 00:39:32,383

We were terrible.

615

00:39:32,383 --> 00:39:36,166

But I had to leave early and we had just so happened to already be down 10.

616

00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:41,400

He brought my baseball coach brought me in at the time and said, do you want to be a Major

League Baseball player?

617

00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,111

Do you want to be in Metallica?

618

00:39:43,352 --> 00:39:48,755

And even 15 year old, 16 year old Zach was like, why can't I try to be both?

619

00:39:49,116 --> 00:39:51,648

Like how am I smarter than you at this situation?

620

00:39:51,648 --> 00:39:57,783

like, there's still a little bit of that that goes on at the high school I work at.

621

00:39:58,259 --> 00:40:02,672

where some of my athletes are like, should I kind of want to go do that play?

622

00:40:02,672 --> 00:40:04,143

Go do it, dude.

623

00:40:04,143 --> 00:40:08,616

You're going to regret it forever if you don't go do this musical or this play, man.

624

00:40:08,616 --> 00:40:11,649

It's one of the coolest, hardest things that you'll ever do in your life.

625

00:40:11,649 --> 00:40:13,570

And who knows you might be good at it.

626

00:40:13,570 --> 00:40:19,353

And then my favorite thing to ask even like these big, know, jockey dudes is like, hey

man, who's your favorite actor?

627

00:40:19,754 --> 00:40:23,948

Like anybody that has this kind of, you know, notion to them is like, who's your favorite

actor?

628

00:40:23,948 --> 00:40:24,848

A lot of them, Brad Pitt.

629

00:40:24,848 --> 00:40:25,890

And I go theater guy.

630

00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:27,691

So what are we talking about guys?

631

00:40:27,691 --> 00:40:38,067

like, no, like with the kids, with your kid, with the nephews, whatever they want to get

behind, one wanted to get into sports for a while and then they really hated it.

632

00:40:38,067 --> 00:40:41,629

And I'm not going to be that uncle that's like, you got to do this because I did it.

633

00:40:41,629 --> 00:40:42,520

No, absolutely.

634

00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,131

If you don't like it, you don't like it, man.

635

00:40:44,131 --> 00:40:46,392

Do I want to push and make him competitive at stuff?

636

00:40:46,392 --> 00:40:46,792

Sure.

637

00:40:46,792 --> 00:40:49,994

But he can be competitive at piano and beat everybody at that.

638

00:40:49,994 --> 00:40:54,116

And I'll be behind him as the biggest cheering uncle that ever happened.

639

00:40:54,454 --> 00:40:55,114

Exactly.

640

00:40:55,114 --> 00:40:58,996

And again, there's so much that kids can do to have so many different ways it can go.

641

00:40:58,996 --> 00:41:06,440

And like, I think there is more understanding too, with that, where, you know, I'm super

glad to hear that you're like that supportive person where you're like, you know what, go

642

00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:07,290

do the thing.

643

00:41:07,290 --> 00:41:08,981

Let's go ahead and rock and roll with it.

644

00:41:08,981 --> 00:41:10,752

Do what you feel you want to do.

645

00:41:10,752 --> 00:41:16,534

And, you know, I think that there is a lot, there are a lot more people doing that now,

cause there are so many more things.

646

00:41:16,534 --> 00:41:18,755

So many things are accessible now.

647

00:41:18,755 --> 00:41:21,616

You can have a guitar in your house.

648

00:41:21,616 --> 00:41:22,865

You can go do these things.

649

00:41:22,865 --> 00:41:24,093

There's so

650

00:41:24,093 --> 00:41:26,775

many opportunities for people in a lot of places.

651

00:41:26,775 --> 00:41:27,955

And you know what?

652

00:41:27,955 --> 00:41:28,517

Why not?

653

00:41:28,517 --> 00:41:29,773

You got one life, man.

654

00:41:29,773 --> 00:41:30,718

Just go do it.

655

00:41:30,718 --> 00:41:31,819

Hell yeah.

656

00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,433

So who is on your radar now?

657

00:41:36,433 --> 00:41:47,882

And I'm going to ask this question because you probably got folders full of, can't talk

about this, bruh, but like, who is on your radar of just wrestlers to be looking at across

658

00:41:47,882 --> 00:41:49,804

the industry right now?

659

00:41:49,804 --> 00:41:53,963

And you don't have to say anyone that you're working with if you're under lock and key,

but like,

660

00:41:53,963 --> 00:41:58,096

Who were people that you would say people gotta be keeping an eye on them, because they're

gonna crush it?

661

00:41:58,170 --> 00:42:07,078

So I will say one that we're working with right now just because she has followed us for a

long time and we've kind of kept an eye on her and we're excited.

662

00:42:07,078 --> 00:42:08,760

We got to meet her in New York.

663

00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,843

She was on the opening match in the Battle Royale, Brooke Havoc.

664

00:42:11,843 --> 00:42:13,825

are like she's a stud.

665

00:42:13,825 --> 00:42:22,649

like seeing her work and seeing her interact with the crowd, it was really, really cool to

put a face to the name and then see a lot of her work.

666

00:42:23,294 --> 00:42:27,197

She's, I mean, she's young, she's gonna be awesome.

667

00:42:27,237 --> 00:42:34,302

We, I don't know how it interacted if it was through my brother or through her asking, but

we can't wait to work with her.

668

00:42:34,302 --> 00:42:36,043

We think she's gonna be a big deal.

669

00:42:36,043 --> 00:42:37,344

We have something for her.

670

00:42:37,344 --> 00:42:41,868

We're finishing something up for her soon and we're hoping that she loves it.

671

00:42:41,868 --> 00:42:44,209

But yeah, we're very excited about her.

672

00:42:44,404 --> 00:42:52,106

anybody in this NXT TNA merger I think it's one of the coolest things on the planet to

watch as far as wrestling goes.

673

00:42:52,106 --> 00:42:57,431

Like how can you not be everything you ever wanted between the Monday night wars.

674

00:42:57,536 --> 00:43:01,398

Kind of happening there with like every forbidden door that AEW has ever done.

675

00:43:01,398 --> 00:43:13,225

That's always really really cool any week on Tuesdays right now NXT and TNA Who's gonna

show up and not to mention if they were separated both of those products are on fire right

676

00:43:13,225 --> 00:43:20,810

now So it's really cool to see them merge and just everybody kick ass there I've always It

just sucks when

677

00:43:20,817 --> 00:43:29,351

guys already have their stuff put together like Moose, his song, I think his old one was a

little bit better, but Moose has got a killer entrance theme.

678

00:43:29,351 --> 00:43:35,184

My trainer down at OVW is one of the outrunners, Randy, but their song kicks ass, man.

679

00:43:35,184 --> 00:43:38,995

can't, I can't like, hey, let us make it worse real quick.

680

00:43:38,995 --> 00:43:41,396

Like if it's already, if it's already gold, what are we doing?

681

00:43:41,396 --> 00:43:43,509

And then there's, so.

682

00:43:43,602 --> 00:43:49,707

I want to say when we were kind of getting back into it big time, we were watching Lucha

Underground and I fell in love with Prince Puma.

683

00:43:49,707 --> 00:43:54,912

So if we were ever to work with Ricochet, that would be incredible, man.

684

00:43:54,912 --> 00:43:58,476

That's kind of been one of those guys that we followed the whole time.

685

00:43:58,476 --> 00:44:01,019

I love seeing what he's doing with his character right now.

686

00:44:01,019 --> 00:44:05,112

I would love to do something for that guy in the future.

687

00:44:05,112 --> 00:44:06,344

That would be killer.

688

00:44:06,344 --> 00:44:10,429

guy, mean, God, he could be...

689

00:44:10,826 --> 00:44:13,561

lifer like Ray with his his work ability man.

690

00:44:13,561 --> 00:44:14,533

He works with everybody.

691

00:44:14,533 --> 00:44:19,961

We actually saw him on the Jericho cruise working heel and He was great at it.

692

00:44:19,961 --> 00:44:22,064

It was really really fun to watch

693

00:44:22,296 --> 00:44:25,618

Yeah, he's been taking that heel persona really, really nicely now too.

694

00:44:25,618 --> 00:44:30,292

And I mean, it takes, you could take a look and see what's going on, on AEW right now.

695

00:44:30,292 --> 00:44:32,193

He's doing some of the best work in his career.

696

00:44:32,193 --> 00:44:35,035

And I think he kind of got the idea of, okay, cool.

697

00:44:35,035 --> 00:44:43,199

Like I before was always super unique cause I could do all these flips and now I've

inspired a generation of people.

698

00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:45,721

Now I got to change myself again too.

699

00:44:45,721 --> 00:44:48,332

And I think he's really kind of gotten into that spirit.

700

00:44:48,332 --> 00:44:50,349

I think a lot of us, including myself, we're like,

701

00:44:50,349 --> 00:44:51,060

What are we doing, guy?

702

00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:57,006

Like, let's do the stuff, do the flip, you know, do it over the ropes, do it.

703

00:44:57,006 --> 00:45:00,204

now, yeah, 100%.

704

00:45:00,204 --> 00:45:10,479

And now he's found this character where he has just, he knows what he's doing, he knows

who he is, and he knows that he knows what he's doing, which I love too.

705

00:45:10,479 --> 00:45:15,593

And I love that you called out Ricochet, but you you called out the Prince Puma side of it

a little bit too.

706

00:45:15,684 --> 00:45:20,198

one part for me, and by the way, someone's got to bring Lucha underground back on the air.

707

00:45:20,198 --> 00:45:23,290

Ladies and gentlemen, someone buy it, someone throw it up there.

708

00:45:23,290 --> 00:45:24,350

You could do it.

709

00:45:24,350 --> 00:45:26,552

Dario Quedo's in MLW.

710

00:45:26,552 --> 00:45:28,743

Let's, let's get the role in it guys.

711

00:45:28,743 --> 00:45:29,994

And it wasn't wrestle votes.

712

00:45:29,994 --> 00:45:31,174

It was Wessel votes.

713

00:45:31,174 --> 00:45:32,015

You bastard.

714

00:45:32,015 --> 00:45:32,835

I'm onto you.

715

00:45:32,835 --> 00:45:34,516

That said the WWE bought it.

716

00:45:34,516 --> 00:45:42,780

So, you know, we're going to be a little salty there for a sec, but someone I still will

always want to work with is Masha Slamovich.

717

00:45:42,821 --> 00:45:43,467

she's

718

00:45:43,467 --> 00:45:44,968

always going to be one of my favorites.

719

00:45:44,968 --> 00:45:53,425

I, not cause I've written for her already, but she's always somebody that when she's in

the ring, she's always like the most believable for me.

720

00:45:53,425 --> 00:45:56,248

And she's used different themes over time.

721

00:45:56,248 --> 00:46:00,752

When she went to impact, that song that you hear was one that we had worked on together.

722

00:46:00,752 --> 00:46:06,216

Then she started with dance with the data song, but I'll always be like, man, that's

someone to keep your eye on.

723

00:46:06,216 --> 00:46:07,538

Always, always.

724

00:46:07,538 --> 00:46:08,171

I can't.

725

00:46:08,171 --> 00:46:13,998

I can't agree more with what you said about this TNA, TNA NXT business that's going on now

too.

726

00:46:13,998 --> 00:46:19,103

Moose is somebody who I've wanted to work with for years, cause he's just, he gets it.

727

00:46:19,103 --> 00:46:20,384

He knows what's up.

728

00:46:20,384 --> 00:46:21,566

He knows what happens.

729

00:46:21,566 --> 00:46:33,273

And he's somebody that with the right theme, which he's had before, but with an even more

like advanced theme or like the next level kind of theme, he's someone that would just.

730

00:46:33,273 --> 00:46:34,994

explode onto the scene.

731

00:46:34,994 --> 00:46:43,918

think with Oba Femi, you see him and you know, they just had the scuffle over on NXT

recently and you see him.

732

00:46:43,918 --> 00:46:47,509

He's another guy that's just going to be crushing this industry one way or another.

733

00:46:47,509 --> 00:46:50,360

Oba Femi is going to be like WrestleMania next year.

734

00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,551

Like that's where he is now.

735

00:46:51,551 --> 00:46:53,462

And it's, it's absurd.

736

00:46:53,462 --> 00:46:56,043

There's, there's so many people on the scene.

737

00:46:56,043 --> 00:46:57,644

Now I love that you brought up Brooke Havoc, man.

738

00:46:57,644 --> 00:47:00,606

I've never met her, but I've always been an admirer of hers.

739

00:47:00,606 --> 00:47:01,896

And I'm just like, man.

740

00:47:02,636 --> 00:47:03,534

Keep doing it.

741

00:47:03,534 --> 00:47:05,737

So funny, Justin's like, hey, that's Brooke.

742

00:47:05,737 --> 00:47:10,222

And I was like, because I believe she's an she's a Nightmare Factory gal.

743

00:47:10,303 --> 00:47:13,646

I was like, she follows us.

744

00:47:13,646 --> 00:47:15,528

He's like, yeah, there she is.

745

00:47:15,528 --> 00:47:22,373

And she's in like, when she's not performing, she was just in like really, really baggy

clothes.

746

00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:24,150

And I'm like, that's not her.

747

00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:26,820

I was very much confused and we had to rehearse.

748

00:47:26,820 --> 00:47:29,502

I like, will see when I talk to her.

749

00:47:29,502 --> 00:47:30,571

Like I'm a little nervous.

750

00:47:30,571 --> 00:47:36,524

I get still a little starstruck around anybody because I still think of them as

superheroes a little bit.

751

00:47:36,524 --> 00:47:37,784

So I couldn't go up and talk to her.

752

00:47:37,784 --> 00:47:39,465

And then she came over and asked for a picture.

753

00:47:39,465 --> 00:47:42,197

So we were able to introduce and like she opened.

754

00:47:42,197 --> 00:47:43,438

So it was really, really cool.

755

00:47:43,438 --> 00:47:48,219

That dude, she got thrown like 20 feet in the battle royal in the opening match.

756

00:47:48,219 --> 00:47:50,109

She that's how she got eliminated.

757

00:47:50,109 --> 00:47:51,311

It was really, really cool.

758

00:47:51,311 --> 00:47:56,277

Just the balls on her to go flying like that, it was killer, man.

759

00:47:56,277 --> 00:47:58,079

We're super excited to see where she goes.

760

00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,263

She's a baby, same with Obafemi.

761

00:48:00,263 --> 00:48:02,186

I mean, dude, they're not old.

762

00:48:02,186 --> 00:48:07,663

They are children out here, so they've got a lot of future to look forward to right now.

763

00:48:07,991 --> 00:48:14,686

Yeah, and I'll put one more person over just because she's always on my mind and I'm like,

man, we need to go ahead and get her more on TV.

764

00:48:14,686 --> 00:48:15,706

Athena?

765

00:48:15,706 --> 00:48:19,219

Man, I would want to put something bomb together for Athena.

766

00:48:19,219 --> 00:48:24,332

I think that what she has now is great, but I'm just like, you got to get her on TV, man.

767

00:48:24,332 --> 00:48:26,554

And she's been killing it in Ring of Honor.

768

00:48:26,554 --> 00:48:36,353

She killed it when she was in NXT as Ember Moon, you know, but I remember seeing her being

played to the ring with Hailstorm and being just like, man, rocket strap.

769

00:48:36,353 --> 00:48:37,635

her to the moon.

770

00:48:37,635 --> 00:48:45,660

like, for me, I'd love to see what she's doing on Ring of Honor right now on an even

bigger stage, wherever that would be bring her up to AEW TV.

771

00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:46,480

That's fine.

772

00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,923

But like, I've always thought, man, she could just have a theme that would just be

crushing, man.

773

00:48:51,923 --> 00:48:53,704

And she's so deserving of it.

774

00:48:53,704 --> 00:48:57,767

She's somebody that can play a really brutal character.

775

00:48:57,767 --> 00:49:03,570

And she's somebody that you can tell just has the charisma to both piss off the audience

and when she wants to.

776

00:49:03,570 --> 00:49:04,743

get the audience behind her.

777

00:49:04,743 --> 00:49:08,001

She could be your biggest baby face or she could be your biggest heel.

778

00:49:08,001 --> 00:49:11,319

And her theme would be something that's not representative of either.

779

00:49:11,319 --> 00:49:13,584

It would be representative of Athena.

780

00:49:13,814 --> 00:49:22,894

She's just yeah, like you said the best way to talk about her and there's there's a lot of

them But she's just a pros pro you could put her it nobody would bat an eye if you put her

781

00:49:22,894 --> 00:49:32,974

in the main event of a W You know next Wednesday and at the same time as she has to open

the card and ring about her to get somebody going She's probably gonna do it.

782

00:49:32,974 --> 00:49:34,314

She's she's a pro man.

783

00:49:34,314 --> 00:49:37,956

She's she's been fun to watch for sure

784

00:49:37,956 --> 00:49:39,057

absolutely.

785

00:49:39,057 --> 00:49:47,631

One more question before I let you go this evening, my friend, and I ask everybody who's

on the show, if you had to choose three songs that would represent you to put on a Spotify

786

00:49:47,631 --> 00:49:49,914

playlist, what would they be and why?

787

00:49:50,336 --> 00:49:52,488

Ooh, like of all time.

788

00:49:52,689 --> 00:49:56,634

My favorite song, I think it was just produced perfectly.

789

00:49:56,634 --> 00:50:01,270

It's sonically, it's just, it gets me so happy.

790

00:50:01,270 --> 00:50:03,183

It's Return of the Mack by Mark Morrison.

791

00:50:03,183 --> 00:50:09,250

At any given time, I think you can throw that song on and just get me in the best mood.

792

00:50:09,267 --> 00:50:12,567

I think in another way, 1975's The Sound did a lot.

793

00:50:12,567 --> 00:50:19,533

And think that whole album was incredible, but The Sound specifically did something for me

where it's just that song's hitting my ears perfectly.

794

00:50:19,533 --> 00:50:27,098

And then I was a huge fan of the album Home from Seven Dust and also that track.

795

00:50:27,098 --> 00:50:31,787

But I think it's been surpassed by Black or anything off of Seasons.

796

00:50:31,787 --> 00:50:34,439

Like Disgrace is such a good song.

797

00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:40,605

So it'd have to be one of those from, I know I'm a rock guy, but we come from such a

different background.

798

00:50:40,605 --> 00:50:42,587

It'd have to be something like that.

799

00:50:42,587 --> 00:50:44,629

Anything of those, any of those seven dust tunes.

800

00:50:44,629 --> 00:50:52,279

I feel bad because I'm leaving out, you know, some really good like, god, Dreams from Van

Halen.

801

00:50:52,363 --> 00:50:53,692

It's a great one too.

802

00:50:53,948 --> 00:51:02,786

can't, like when that comes on, right now from Van Halen, it's the best of both worlds

where you got Sammy or David and I think they are two completely different bands and I

803

00:51:02,786 --> 00:51:05,839

think they're two of the top five bands that ever existed on planet.

804

00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:13,997

So I know I gave you way too many there, but any of those, you can pick any of those three

from, I guess, like the eight or nine I just gave you and I'd be okay for the rest of my

805

00:51:13,997 --> 00:51:14,533

life.

806

00:51:14,533 --> 00:51:21,707

and little known fact from the downstate camp when you walk into the rehearsal room

everyone plays return to the back and by everybody I mean you've got it already on a

807

00:51:21,707 --> 00:51:26,024

speaker there you're just like they're like fuck here he comes he's what's up guys

808

00:51:26,047 --> 00:51:34,253

we've come out to on stage, we've come out to that, we've come out to Onyx Slam, and we've

come out to 9.95, which is Ninja Turtle's track.

809

00:51:34,253 --> 00:51:39,816

We like to have a little bit of fun before we try to kick everybody's teeth in on stage.

810

00:51:39,816 --> 00:51:41,028

So it's really, really fun.

811

00:51:41,028 --> 00:51:42,639

Zach, it's been awesome this evening.

812

00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:44,191

Thank you so much for hanging out with us.

813

00:51:44,191 --> 00:51:50,596

I say evening because that's what we're recording, but y'all, you can enjoy it in the

morning, afternoon, evening, weekends, holidays.

814

00:51:50,596 --> 00:51:51,497

I'm not going to judge.

815

00:51:51,497 --> 00:51:52,738

You shouldn't judge either.

816

00:51:52,738 --> 00:51:54,839

Zach is awesome and he's been hanging out with us.

817

00:51:54,839 --> 00:51:55,974

Thank you so much.

818

00:51:55,974 --> 00:51:57,635

Thank you very much for having me on, guys.

819

00:51:57,635 --> 00:52:00,406

Stay tuned for anything we got coming out.

820

00:52:00,407 --> 00:52:01,718

please have me back on again.

821

00:52:01,718 --> 00:52:03,289

Justin said the same thing.

822

00:52:03,289 --> 00:52:03,969

Please reach out.

823

00:52:03,969 --> 00:52:05,280

We'll do this anytime.

824

00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,386

Absolutely.