Javi on His Time In NXT and Evolve, Writing His Own Entrance Theme, Metalcore In Wrestling

hey, it's you again.

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Welcome to this episode of the Ropes and Riffs podcast.

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As always, I am your host, Jon, your resident entrance theme song composer.

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And today I'm very excited for a bunch of reasons to have the one and only Javi on the

show.

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You may have seen Javi recently on NXT, on Level Up and in Evolve.

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But the reason I'm excited that Javi's on the show is he just released his own entrance

theme.

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It's very metalcore and it's very much of that metal.

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background which as many of you know is something that I hold very near and dear to my

heart as that's a lot of the music that I release and a lot of the music that I love.

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So in our interview we talk about what went into him releasing his own theme, some of the

best times that he had at NXT and in Evolve and how all of that came to create the

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character that you see in his most recently released video as well as what you guys are

gonna see from Javi going forward as well.

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We also talk about a lot of different things in music, in wrestling.

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And I'm just gonna tell you, if you're a fan of Kill, Switch, Engage, Bullet for My

Valentine, all those kinds of bands, this is an episode for you.

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If you're a fan of pro wrestling, this is obviously one for you as well.

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All right, so you've heard enough from me now.

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Let's go ahead and get into this awesome conversation with Javi.

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So listen, before we even hop into this conversation with Javi, we were talking right off

stream before we jumped in that the man is wearing the legendary shirt of Bullet from my

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Valentine.

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Bullet is the best, man.

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So I'm so happy to have a conversation with you and just to see that shirt within the

first second of you popping on screen here.

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You know, it's funny because half of my wardrobe is just all it's just band tees, you

know, I've got bullet I've got as I lay dying.

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I've got avenged.

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I've got all the early 2000s like metalcore, you know, that's like what I The stuff that I

grew up on wanted it, you know, listen to it all that I've got a like the half my closet's

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just band shirts I figure I you know, I'll go stick I'll rock with bullet today

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Yeah, me too.

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I think that when I was starting on guitar and learning music, for me, was like Avenged

Sevenfold.

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It was Atreyu, all those guys.

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And I forget if I've told this story on stream before, but when I started playing, I was

like, I'm just going to be a rhythm player because lead is hard and you have to be good at

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guitar to do that.

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Right.

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And so I had learned right side of the bed.

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I had a band that I was in in high school.

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And then when I went to college, I was just sitting in my dorm room one day and I was

like, man, that right side of the bed.

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So it was kind of cool.

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Like, I don't know, maybe I can do it.

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And I learned it, it took like a week or two and I was like, oh man, people can play lead

guitar.

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And then that was it with Atreyu too, ugh.

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Sinister Gates from event sevenfold is like my big guitar he's like my my guitar idol and

all that and like my parents bought my grandma bought me the the Schecter Avenger model

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the my parents had brought me the bought me the acoustic the acoustic sin guitar that

actually I used on NXT I Sinister Gates was like my my guy for that sort of thing.

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So like I'd be watching videos that and bullet obviously I have a He uses a Jackson like

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So I like you know like obviously my influences and my musical instrument choices you know

are heavily based off of like Venged and Bullet and all those bands.

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Yeah, Avenged always is like, I feel like if you're a fan of Avenged or you're a fan of

Bullet, but especially Avenged, they've always made it like you're part of like their

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family.

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And I remember when I was young, that was actually one of the first guitars that I bought

for myself was an Avenger also, but it was before they started doing like the whole line

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of like Sinister Gates.

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And the Avenger model wasn't out for years, but he, guess for Bat Country, he had one, I

forget the story of it, but it was like one of like these older legacy ones that had a

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pick guard.

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And was like, totally didn't look super metal.

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But then they started coming out with the Hellraiser series of it where it was like the

red top and everything.

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I was like, that's cool.

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So I played that.

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And then all of sudden, Sin Gates comes out with the pinstripe one with all of his like

headstock and everything.

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I'm like, if I would have waited a year.

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uh

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mine doesn't have the headstock.

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Mine is like a Tiger Shark kind of print on the body.

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So it's not like the Sinister Gates one and it doesn't have the headstock, which I really

wouldn't want.

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But my acoustic, the one that I used on NXT, that one has the Hellraiser headstock.

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that's so cool.

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And I love the fact that now you have this persona of, yeah.

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Do we even call it a persona?

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Because again, you're into metalcore.

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You are the guy who's personifying it.

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Yeah.

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So it's not even like, Hey, let's find something to represent.

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It's like, this is you through and through.

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Absolutely and honestly

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It kind of started from like, you know, people would see my NXT and then here in Orlando,

we'd go to concerts and it's like, hobby?

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You know, like I didn't know that you were, I didn't know you were into this type of, you

know, I'd be going, I'd be seeing bands like Unearth, Necro Galvacan, whatever at the

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conduit.

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they'd be like, I don't, had no idea.

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Like you listen to this music.

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I'm like, oh, you know, and it's funny because between me and my wife Tatum, you know,

like she was like, people always, when we're out, people recognize you more.

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think it's, to me,

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think it's just because I'm like I look like I'm Available for conversation.

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I don't know what is I have a I have a face for that sort of thing I guess But you know

people's like you're hobby right?

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I'm like it.

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Yeah, and he's like you know they and it would happen to me every time I go to a concert

in Orlando and thought well You know like this is these are my people this is

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what I represent, know, like, and you know, when I got hurt, I'm like, you know, this is

more something I want to do.

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I was, was thinking of things even before I got hurt, to, to switch things up.

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But, once I got hurt, I'm like, okay, this kind of helps me kind of reset and, and move on

and do something, do something different, do something that's more myself, you know.

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I feel like that's how the story goes with a lot of wrestlers, not just with people that

have been in WWE, people outside of WWE, but I feel like in general, unfortunately,

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sometimes injury happens.

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At first off, I'm glad to see that the recovery is, you know, going where it is, you know,

we always want the uptick quick and recovery.

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but I'm, but you you hear a lot of people that they go, when I go away for a little bit or

when injury happens, they kind of sit back and they go, that's really the point where a

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lot of wrestlers go, okay, cool.

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Who am I?

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Like, who do I want to represent?

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Not what kind of character am I creating, but like, what really resonates with me?

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And who am I outside of the ring that I can, as they say, turn up to 11?

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Exactly.

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And, um, you know what you guys saw on, um, what I was starting with on evolve was kind of

getting there and it's a little different because, know, um, the nice part of, of what I'm

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going to be doing is that, you know, I have control over it.

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I have control over our look and not that they told me to look any type of way or anything

like that, but you have to keep in mind that, um, when it comes to WWE, um, the fans in

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particular, like, you know, you have to,

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you have to throw it in your face, in their face what kind of character you are.

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So like, you know, like I wore the eyeliner and I wore the mesh shirts, blah, blah, blah,

all that stuff.

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And, you know, stuff that maybe like, you know, I don't mind wearing eyeliner and you

know, maybe it'll come back, maybe it won't, I don't know.

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you know, but like to me, like, I always thought of like who I was going out wearing band

shirts.

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You know, I always thought about,

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you know what I think you know, as I lay dying is a perfect example.

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That's where like a lot of like my mannerisms like would like if I were be on stage, how

would I present myself in between a between M shadows and Tim like like that amalgamation

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of like, you know, that's how I would hold myself on stage.

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And then, you know, I that's where it would transition to, you know, in entrance or in the

ring.

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But like the difference with WWE and then, you know, being

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free from being on the indies is that...

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people who get it get it.

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my gimmick, my person, my persona, whatever, it's not, obviously it's very heavily tied to

metalcore.

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you know, all that stuff.

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But I was talking with someone, I kind of, you know, and I was like, I don't mean to be

blasphemous, but I think like metalcore Jesus is kind of how I think of it.

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Like, you know, like, come to me, my children, if you're if you're bullied, if you're

someone that, you know, is looked at funny because of this, if you if you're, you know, it

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doesn't have to be metalcore.

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But like a lot of people do people that like feel that they are not in the in crowd that

are left out.

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tend to kind of be in that, maybe not Metalcore, but in that alternative genre.

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And when you're in that alternative genre, you're all kind of like a big family, of.

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We protect each other.

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And that's kind of part of, it's a little different than how I was presented on Evolve.

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And look, to be honest, the Evolve stuff was fun and it was great.

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And to be honest, the interview that I had and...

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Direction that I was told it was supposed to go I really enjoyed it but now I can really

like sink my teeth in and I have control over you know, like and that's the thing like

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with WWE like between WWE and now With WWE like You know, they have this story they they

know what they want I can pitch or not and whatever but with this like if I'm lazy then if

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I'm lazy now like I don't

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It's up to me to write my own story at this point.

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You know what mean?

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And I mean, you've already gone ahead and written your own theme too.

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And you've already released the, by the time of this recording, you've already released

the video for it.

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You've started putting out some promo for it.

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And I thought it was really cool because first off you reached out to people on your

social media said, Hey, I want to bring in the crowd into here too.

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By the way, quick over to Tatum real quick.

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If you ever look at Tatum's Instagram and see the music that she uses too, she loves the

heavy stuff too.

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So just got to put her over real quick.

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I remember that she had things where she's like,

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I'm just muscling up this 405.

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By the way, here's like this super heavy breakdown.

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That's great.

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So shout to Tatum here.

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think that's kind of where we started connecting was music, to be honest.

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That's probably where we started connecting.

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But yeah, yeah, the music video and all that, the story with that is interesting.

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So I actually wrote that while I was hurt with the intention of WWE using it.

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When I got hurt, it took a couple months.

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I'm friends with a local band here in Orlando called The High Ground.

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And I reached out to their guitar player, Matt Brown, who is a genius at what he does,

because he's very musically gifted.

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look, my wife asked me this question.

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She's like, on a scale of 1 in 10, where do you think you're at playing guitar?

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Do you want to pick it?

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Whatever.

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And when you're in WWE, it's kind of hard to focus on some outside passions when you're

trying to all that.

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I well, you know, like if 10 being like I'm a guitar god and one being like I'm a

beginner, I'd say I'm like a six, right?

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Like, and that's the thing.

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I'm pretty, you know, I've been playing guitar for 12 years and I think I'm okay.

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I don't think I'm great.

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I don't think I'm bad.

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But like, you know, like I, I'm able to write riffs, that's where I, my difficulty lies is

writing a song, like, like putting things together.

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I know how to, I wrote for the song, like I wrote the

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The opening riff and all that that's not that riffs been stuck in my head for probably ten

years and I was like well It's time to put it in a song and you know, it's very loosely

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very loosely based off of Excuse me, very loose base off of as I lay dying off of kill

switch engage Avenged sevenfold obviously Bullet, you know, like all my medical brains

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like that's what it's loosely based off of you know, but like through the song through

struggle bike as I lay dying I'm like, okay that would if I had to pick any song

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be an entrance theme I would pick that one like any song that's not you know copyright or

whatever I would pick that song because it's just so badass there's a long intro and then

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you know there's a lot of crowd participation when the riff hits and that's what I wanted

for this song so me and Matt you know I'm like hey this is what I want here's what I got

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you know I wrote riffs here and there but honestly like you take the reins and you do what

you

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You know, like you're a good songwriter and all that.

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So please just help me out and put pieces together.

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And man, he, you know, I can't thank him enough.

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He did a wonderful job helping me out there with that there.

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But yeah, no, I wrote it with the intention of WWE using it.

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And obviously, obviously they didn't use it.

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You know, I kept pushing and pushing and pushing.

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And we have these shows in the, in the performance center called PC lives.

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A lot of them are for you know, young for the young guns to get, you know reps Sometimes

you do them for people that you know, like are coming back from injury and sometimes

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they're just matches to get reps like you know, so like Anybody that you've seen on TV has

done a PC live, right or

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they're just for the audience in there, you're saying?

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Yeah.

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literally the performance center like the people in the performance center So like, know,

like my wife might be booked for one and I wouldn't be and I would watch her wrestle You

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know somebody right?

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So So like I was like, know, let me run with this.

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Let me do this and everybody in the performance center just loved it and I was like is

that and I don't think like they knew but they didn't know that they're like Is that is

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that you and I'm like, yeah, no that is me.

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Yes.

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Yes

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Because I've always, you know, I've been on stage.

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I'm a trained singer.

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I play like seven different instruments, all that.

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But, you of course I pick, you know, the metal chorus, like that's my muse of that sort of

thing, you know?

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And so like, is that you?

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Yeah, that's me, you know, I wrote that and all that, you know?

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And at that point it was just the demo version.

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I didn't have the fully mixed and mastered version that you heard.

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So I kept pushing, pushing, like, look, you know, like I'm,

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I'm ready to sell this to you guys.

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I don't care about making money off of it.

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It's my baby, my pet project that I want everybody to hear.

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I don't care if you guys want to sell it make money, that's fine.

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I don't need it.

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Even the guitar player, Matt, who's like, I just want a credit on there.

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I don't really care about money or anything like that.

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Sweet.

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from the office, it's a very hard thing to get past.

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Like, it's very legal and to be honest, I think certain people get it and certain people

don't.

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And it's not, like, not in a disparaging way, it's just like, some people do and some

people don't and I couldn't tell you, I couldn't tell you what those reasons are.

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maybe, you know, I'm sure there's something behind the scenes that I don't know.

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And maybe some things are library tracks, so, you know, I don't know.

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Some people get it some people don't and I haven't picked up on that on the pattern of why

a certain person does or doesn't get certain things.

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So it's not like anything like that.

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But yeah, no, just, I think for the last match that I wrestled on Evolve, they gave me a

new theme and it was fine.

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It was a library track and I was happy.

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I was happy to get rid of the old theme that I had, which was just terrible.

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It was absolutely awful.

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Rock the world.

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Yes.

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And it's funny because I, uh, my, was, a library track.

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So my, my theme song was in a steel Panther, uh, vignette video.

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Like literally it was like a behind the musics, behind the scene type of gimmick where

they're interviewing Michael star.

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And I just hear Baron Aaron and like, I'm like scrolling through Instagram, like

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What?

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Wait a minute.

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So my video was on a Steel Panther video before, and I'm a big fan of Steel Panther too,

but I'm like, what is going on?

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uh

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is now to some degree, Javi has some sort of canonic relationship to Steel Panther.

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That's what you're saying.

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I am in Steel Panther, yes.

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awesome.

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And I mean, the thing is, though, even if WWE doesn't have the rights to it, you know,

you're taking this initiative, you're creating this character and you're saying, hey, this

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is what I want to be portrayed like going forward.

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And even if it doesn't show up on NXT, you now have this piece of music that now you're

going post NXT, this whole rebrand, this whole Cork-Hit hobby and just getting to show

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everybody, okay, cool, this is what I came up with.

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This was really me.

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Like,

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Not just what you see in the ring, not just what you see in the promos, but even the words

that are coming out of my mouth.

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Cause again, you sang on that too.

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You came up with these riffs, you had your guys working on it with you.

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And it's like, there's such an opportunity nowadays in wrestling to be able to not just

rely on one thing and say, Hey, you know what?

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I'm going to go out into the world.

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And now I am that brand.

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I am that product.

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I am the vision that I want you to see with it.

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You know, and it's.

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It's really cool to see that.

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So, and also you're in Florida.

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Florida is like a hot bed for metal, metal core, that.

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That's the Trivium guys.

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Like let's just, let's just be real there.

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So it's so cool.

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It's funny because if you look at a lot of my early stuff in WWE with like the big body

stuff, like you can tell I was very I'm a big fan of Chris Jericho.

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And you could see you could see that in my work back then.

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But even even like now, like, you know, just, you know, that was always such a cool thing

for me was, you know, he had, you know, he had Fozzy.

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Obviously, he was wrestling.

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Obviously he he's like written three or four different books.

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He's an actor He you know was it did a cameo on terrifying like whoa, you know I was like,

wait a minute ah

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was fairly reminiscent of him too.

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Like not exactly the light up, but like, I felt like one of the jackets that you would

wear to the ring was something very Chris Jericho-esque like early on too.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that one, to be honest, like, it was, he's a big, big influence of mine between that

and Van Halen too.

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Like that was like the other, like when I started with the big body stuff, that was like

the inspiration.

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Cause again, was big into, big into Steel Panther.

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You know, I love Van Halen and you know, like Metal Core is what I love, but like when I'm

just like, you know, just like.

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you whenever Van Halen comes out, you I love David Lee Roth, know, so it's, you know, as

you can see, like all my influences kind of were reflected off of how I looked and how

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like the segments that I did, a lot of those things reflected and now less so in a way,

but you know, I still, know, the part of me that,

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Still has that you know, like, you know, like I want to be I want to be in a band I want

to wrestle and I want to write these books and I want to be in these TV shows and movie

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shows and and all that, you know, so like Chris Jericho is really kind of And that way I'm

like man, that's that's that's what I want to do is I want to do all these things I want

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to be busy, you know, especially because it's like my my home life like Is boring like in

a good way in a very very good way um You know, it's it's me.

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It's my wife.

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We don't like to do anything

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We like to go to concerts and that's about the most of what we do.

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don't party, don't, you I'm straight Ed, so I'm already boring.

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And we've got a cat and we recently got a dog.

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So, you know, that's our life.

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That's our family, that's what we do here.

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So for me, my creative outlet is doing everything.

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And a buddy of mine, I was talking to a buddy mine last night.

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playing video games and he was just like, dude, just, you know, it just seemed like

nothing, nothing like this last month, like, you know, like you was just taking a lot of

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work for everything.

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And then all of a sudden you drop everything and it's insane how much work that you did.

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and, and that's kind of what metal core kind of is about, especially like the local scene

and all that is very DIY, very, you know, you know, it takes a village, you know, I had

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help from friends, you know, like obviously the high ground helped me with that.

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My my buddy James he did the he did my logo for my merch and he also did The album cover

for me actually for the for the song And it just like had all these different All these

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different friends, you know helping me out and then a lot of it was on me You know, like

I'm over here, you know I gave myself maybe an hour to cry after the phone call and I got

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to work like it's I'm not someone that

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good at just sitting around.

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Even when I do sit around I feel like I gotta do something even if I shouldn't.

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So that's kind of where things have been.

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It was maybe kind of quiet.

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I was trying, I was still active but I was quiet because I wanted to do...

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there's a lot of things that I want to do.

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Yeah, and I think that you also share a sentiment both from kind of the hardcore metalcore

scene and even wrestling.

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And I think anybody can attest to this who's listening or watching this too, a matter of

you get that call and you're just obviously it's like, you know, you have all these

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different feelings, probably like more than anybody can even assume for anybody that's,

you know, ever experienced something like that.

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But you know what?

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You got to pick yourself back up and do exactly what you do.

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You know, you just find the next outlet.

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Okay, great.

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Here's the situation now.

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and where am I going with it going forward?

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And not just with you, but with others that were released at the same time.

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A lot of you guys do the same thing.

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A lot of you guys already have the promos up.

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A lot of you guys already are just doing amazing things.

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And it's really great to see that in the face of adversity like that, you all are just

like, hey, what's next?

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What's coming?

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And there's this identity that you're able to craft off of that.

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And I guess a question also in...

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your journey and evolve and NXT and level up and all that.

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How much of this personality are you bringing to the table saying, hey, this is what I

want to portray as opposed to kind of, cool.

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Like this is what you say you want, but this is where we know that we want to have you

slotted in.

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So I will say like they you know for a lot of this stuff on Evolve like I loved the I so

you know for anybody that maybe didn't watch or was not aware so you know when Evolve

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first started you know it was like my first back first like matches back and on TV and

anything and you know I wanted to do this thing where like

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And if you read the lyrics of the song, it's kind of the same thing.

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Very, very much, very, very events, very as I lay dying, know, very a window to the soul

type of thing, you know, and I wanted to be very vulnerable, you know, especially my

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character with big body hobby.

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was an arrogant, arrogant prick.

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was, was an arrogant, bad person who was full of himself.

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that wasn't who I was and you know I was still big-body hobby for a number of weeks when I

came back but I was like hey you know I might be big-body hobby but I've changed like I'm

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not I promise that you know I this that's not who I am anymore and then you know come to

the point we're like maybe that's just not who I am at all and you know very pensive the

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way I think about is like a born-again Christian or like a recovering

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addict like because that's that's a big story I think people can relate to is you you

don't you know, you don't want to be defined by your past ever, know, like and even if

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you're not someone that's ever had really a past like that, but like I mean everybody can

relate to it.

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Like everybody has that moment in high school.

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We're like, man, I did something really cringy and I can't stop thinking about it.

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And you think about it 10 years afterwards, you know, it doesn't matter if you if you've

done anything serious or not, you know, everybody has that experience.

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And you just want to believe that you're not that person anymore, that you're gonna work

towards not being that person.

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And I think that was a very, to me, it's a very poetic and beautiful story to tell.

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moving forward when I got to do the emo stuff, you know, it was very much close to what I

wanna do, you know?

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And like, the thing is, you know, when you were working with some, with other people, it's

not always gonna be exactly what you want.

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And that makes sense because, you know,

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It's not just about me.

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It's about all these characters in this universe.

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Wherever, wherever, whether it's WWE, WTNA, wherever, it's all these characters, all these

gimmicks, all these people in a universe.

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And it's just very much like real life.

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Like I can't just go somewhere and expect something done.

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there's a whole dynamic at play.

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And so for the emo stuff, you know, I will say a good amount of it will be

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Because it's already kind of intrinsic to what I'm doing um But to be fair now, it's gonna

be more

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I don't want to say contrived, but less.

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It's gonna be feel more comfortable for me because I know I know what the scene is and

that's the thing with the creative with creative And it's not it's not a bad thing.

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It's that everybody has different experiences Between me and anybody that would have been

pitching creative stuff I'm probably the only one that is in the metalcore scene anything

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that that knows anything about that So when we're talking about writing stuff or doing

stuff, you know It might be a little alien to them and because you know, that's not that's

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not their stuff.

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They probably

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They listen to other things or their interests or other things, you know, and that's

totally okay.

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So now, you know, now it's, you know, more okay.

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Like I know what people that are in my scene would relate to and would know.

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like, that's funny.

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Or, that's cool.

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Or, I know what that's from, you know?

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So I would say a good amount of it for sure.

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At least as far as the story wise guy still want to tell the story of like, and I

mentioned it earlier, like not to be blasphemous, but like a, a metal cord.

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Jesus in a way where like, you know, if you're picked on, you're bullied, if you feel left

out, if you feel like you just never ever picked, like I'm your guy, I want to be the guy

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that, you know, it's like, all well I'm going to represent, you know, like to be

attitudes, blessed are the meek, blessed are the, you know, like that to me is very, very

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cool stuff.

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And I feel like that's also something you can pull so much from.

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There's so much, at least, juice in that idea on what you could do on screen, what you

could do in promos and everything like that.

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And it's it's right for that too.

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And being able to pull together a video in the time that you did is awesome.

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Being able to create your own theme is awesome.

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With the people that came to your music video, for people listening and people watching,

who would be some interesting people that were in the pit for you?

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Well, for one, as you guys can see, this is the only tattoo I have.

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It's my wedding ring with my wife.

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Me and my wife have one.

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Yeah.

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Me and my, so the tattoo artist that did it for me showed him and his wife came.

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Those are interesting.

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I'm trying to...

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There's a few that I can't particularly give away.

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Maybe down the line for kayfabe's sake, I guess.

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But my wife was obviously there.

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And it's so funny because I did a concert last year with The High Ground.

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They let me get up on stage and do a song with them.

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And my wife just stressed, you guys don't talk about this beforehand.

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And she was, was.

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like stressed out more than I was fine.

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It's just me.

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You just get up and you just do the things.

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How do you do that?

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And same thing like with the music videos.

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He's like, what if it's you?

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Like, I'm not trying to get in, but like, you know, like I'm not trying to like, you know,

worry or anything.

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Like, no, no, no, it's okay.

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Like I've got it.

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You know, and she's like, I just don't know how you make things happen.

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And that's something that, you know, that's something that I think has been a story of my

life so far is that

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I make things happen for myself.

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I've been put in some very, know, very interesting situations that I feel like, you know,

it's one of those things where I'm like, man, why me a lot of times?

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But I make things happen for myself.

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And I don't mean that with an ego, I don't mean that with anything, I just mean that, you

I make things happen and that's something that drives me is like, okay, if I...

393

00:28:10,604 --> 00:28:14,344

If this door is open, I'm gonna find a way around it.

394

00:28:14,544 --> 00:28:23,724

So, but, you know, go back to my wife, know, he's, you know, it's one of those things

where she's stressed, but it's like, just don't understand, like, you know, it's okay,

395

00:28:23,724 --> 00:28:24,324

it'll be okay.

396

00:28:24,324 --> 00:28:25,835

But she was there.

397

00:28:25,835 --> 00:28:35,215

And I had a couple kids from House of Champions, if you know them, they're down in

Florida, they're at wrestling school down here.

398

00:28:36,027 --> 00:28:47,867

But to be honest, I had a bunch of my lovely fans one one of which They flew down they

didn't fly down for the thing that would have been cool But and then they flew down

399

00:28:47,867 --> 00:28:51,607

because they were going to vacation at Disney and like oh my gosh, I'm here I got it.

400

00:28:51,607 --> 00:28:52,467

I got to come and do this.

401

00:28:52,467 --> 00:29:04,807

So like it was like perfect timing for them I have to say, you know, I had a I had you

know, one of the somebody gave me a a drawing and I have it I Have it downstairs

402

00:29:05,513 --> 00:29:11,237

I have it here somewhere downstairs and they gave me a drawing and it was like the most

emotional thing to me.

403

00:29:11,237 --> 00:29:12,377

It was so beautiful.

404

00:29:12,377 --> 00:29:19,402

You know, cause they obviously follow me along through WWE and then they're always on my

streams and whatnot.

405

00:29:19,402 --> 00:29:22,535

And it's like a community that I've built.

406

00:29:22,535 --> 00:29:24,800

Somebody came up to me, it's like, man, nice.

407

00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:30,921

Why don't you know that this, you know, this experience here kind of took away all the

anxiety that I had going on.

408

00:29:31,058 --> 00:29:33,730

And to me that's exemplary of like what I that's what I want to do.

409

00:29:33,730 --> 00:29:41,577

You know, I want to I want to touch people in a way that Is hard to explain, you know,

because that's that's a hard thing to explain like, know, like you took my you know I I

410

00:29:41,577 --> 00:29:50,526

couldn't explain that to you And so like that entire experience, know, like I had a bunch

of fans bunch of friends and all that just come and hang out shout out to grumpies

411

00:29:50,526 --> 00:29:51,677

underground

412

00:29:51,717 --> 00:30:00,559

That's the bar that we use and they were they were awesome too because they you know They

weren't gonna charge me anything and I was like, you know, like I don't feel comfortable

413

00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:07,203

You know just not helping out in any way, but like, you know, they they weren't gonna

charge they were they were total sweethearts You know, mean, you know, they were very

414

00:30:07,203 --> 00:30:16,348

understanding of like what I was going for and very understanding of like this is the

scene It's very DIY and we look out for each other So the yeah

415

00:30:17,332 --> 00:30:25,461

I am super blessed with the fans that I have and the fact that they came out and they

showed out means the absolute world to me.

416

00:30:25,606 --> 00:30:30,068

And I love that too, the fact that you have such a hodgepodge of people who have come out.

417

00:30:30,068 --> 00:30:36,971

know, obviously your wife Tatum, you have some people who eagle-eyed fans will have to

keep a look at if they weren't masked on, ladies and gentlemen.

418

00:30:36,971 --> 00:30:43,634

And then also just all the different fans and friends that, you know, were at that too,

because it does show what you talk about all the time.

419

00:30:43,634 --> 00:30:51,197

And I think with wrestling and with music, and especially more in like the heavier genres,

and this is something I experienced over my time playing in bands, writing themes, all

420

00:30:51,197 --> 00:30:54,304

that, it very much is about

421

00:30:54,304 --> 00:31:02,186

Community and you don't realize what that community is, you know This picture that goes

around nowadays, which is like only ten people liked your post only a hundred will picture

422

00:31:02,186 --> 00:31:09,079

a hundred people in a room picture ten people in a room, know And you don't really think

about it because it's digital But when you have people that are in that room with you

423

00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:15,801

tangibly you're like man someone took time out of their day to give you a photo and You

know, you're just like what is it?

424

00:31:15,801 --> 00:31:22,695

That's crazy Like I did something to them and or I did something that made their life at

that moment

425

00:31:22,695 --> 00:31:24,946

just feel different in a way that you don't realize.

426

00:31:24,946 --> 00:31:27,458

And it's just like, man, it's cool to see.

427

00:31:27,458 --> 00:31:34,343

I think, you know, you can think of bands like August Burns Red, Event Sevenfold, all

these guys, and they all talk about that community too.

428

00:31:34,343 --> 00:31:37,005

They talked about it before we jumped on stream about like feeling like family.

429

00:31:37,005 --> 00:31:42,187

uh For me, when the Rev died, it was one of the biggest things for me.

430

00:31:42,187 --> 00:31:49,230

I was like, man, and you know, even people that I was in bands with, friends with at the

time, it's like everyone rallied around the band and...

431

00:31:49,230 --> 00:31:56,025

People were just like, that second, the record that came out that I'd ported down at

nightmare of ones like, you know, like people that weren't really part of the fandom were

432

00:31:56,025 --> 00:31:58,296

just like, you know, it's not going to do well.

433

00:31:58,296 --> 00:32:01,028

it crushes because the music was great, but not just that.

434

00:32:01,028 --> 00:32:04,389

It's like, you have this feeling that you're part of something bigger than you.

435

00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:11,145

And I think that until you feel that, or until you connect to something like that, or a

part of that, you don't really understand it.

436

00:32:11,145 --> 00:32:17,009

then when you are, and when you're in these fields, like music or wrestling, it's just

like.

437

00:32:17,455 --> 00:32:19,668

Like they say, when you feel it, you feel it.

438

00:32:19,668 --> 00:32:21,090

And when you're part of it, you're part of it.

439

00:32:21,090 --> 00:32:24,060

And it's just, it's really cool to see.

440

00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:35,560

Yeah, and it like you said it's hard to explain until you've experienced it or when you

know events I saw event sevenfold Excuse me at a festival in 20.

441

00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:46,560

I was in college in 2017 2018 And it was it was it was a different experience like I was

front row and you know That was when I was young enough to want to get in the pit and all

442

00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,300

that

443

00:32:48,681 --> 00:32:49,502

Yep.

444

00:32:49,727 --> 00:32:51,160

I remember those days.

445

00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,242

Yeah, I was funny.

446

00:32:52,242 --> 00:32:52,994

I was telling my wife.

447

00:32:52,994 --> 00:32:57,333

like, you know, even if I wasn't wrestling, I don't know that I would get in the pair.

448

00:32:57,333 --> 00:32:59,086

And now I got like a looks fun and all.

449

00:32:59,086 --> 00:33:01,561

But but yeah, no, I, you know.

450

00:33:01,762 --> 00:33:07,262

saw them and it felt like an otherworldly experience, know, because it's just like, you

know, you're surrounded.

451

00:33:07,262 --> 00:33:08,962

I had a bunch of my buddies with me.

452

00:33:08,962 --> 00:33:15,182

But then just like people that, you know, like people you don't know will start grabbing

you and start singing in your face with you.

453

00:33:15,182 --> 00:33:20,062

And it's really weird because you there's no there's really no other community that you

could do that.

454

00:33:20,062 --> 00:33:25,315

You know, like wrestling and rock metal, whatever is like is like.

455

00:33:25,315 --> 00:33:27,999

They're very very intertwined in that sense.

456

00:33:27,999 --> 00:33:40,621

Very few communities can you do something like that not get punched in the face for it to

be welcomed, you ah It makes, you know, for every hate comment or hater or whatever that I

457

00:33:40,621 --> 00:33:46,792

would get, like I have, you know, multitude more of love and dedication.

458

00:33:46,792 --> 00:33:51,052

And I, Avenged Sevenfold will always have such a place there and just metal in general.

459

00:33:51,052 --> 00:33:54,492

And I still remember I've seen the Avenged Sevenfold a couple of times.

460

00:33:54,492 --> 00:33:58,192

And when I was younger, I had seen, what is it?

461

00:33:58,192 --> 00:34:03,192

So my Avenged Sevenfold story, cause I think everybody who's a fan has one.

462

00:34:03,192 --> 00:34:09,772

I went to this convention called the NAMM show, is if you know, it's, it's awesome.

463

00:34:09,772 --> 00:34:12,292

And this was the first year that I was invited to go.

464

00:34:12,292 --> 00:34:15,108

was with a company called Godine guitars and

465

00:34:15,108 --> 00:34:17,829

My wife and I both went, my wife is also a musician.

466

00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:22,401

So we went out there, it was 2012 and in Anaheim, California, we were doing the thing.

467

00:34:22,401 --> 00:34:29,394

You know, we're looking at all the gear, talking to the people and we're just like, my

God, like as a musician, you're kind of like, this is the pinnacle of like being part of

468

00:34:29,394 --> 00:34:29,484

it.

469

00:34:29,484 --> 00:34:33,455

Cause just, I don't know, John Petrucci is walking around and you're like, that's crazy.

470

00:34:33,455 --> 00:34:35,346

And he's not like signing autographs right there.

471

00:34:35,346 --> 00:34:37,197

He's just like, I'm here to look at my guitars.

472

00:34:37,197 --> 00:34:38,277

And I'm like, what is life?

473

00:34:38,277 --> 00:34:39,538

This is crazy.

474

00:34:39,538 --> 00:34:41,779

Guthrie Govan spilled coffee on my shoe.

475

00:34:41,779 --> 00:34:44,924

Sorry for another day, but like we finish up.

476

00:34:44,924 --> 00:34:45,704

We're all good.

477

00:34:45,704 --> 00:34:48,846

And across the way in Anaheim is Disney World.

478

00:34:48,846 --> 00:34:50,567

Whichever one is in Disneyland.

479

00:34:50,567 --> 00:34:52,208

Okay, Disneyland is California.

480

00:34:52,208 --> 00:34:52,868

Yes.

481

00:34:52,868 --> 00:34:54,868

So Disneyland.

482

00:34:55,028 --> 00:34:58,570

outside is like the walking around area where they have all the shops and whatever.

483

00:34:58,570 --> 00:35:01,531

And we go to Rainforest Cafe, just walking in front of it.

484

00:35:01,531 --> 00:35:04,271

And my wife is a big Avenged Sevenfold fan too.

485

00:35:04,271 --> 00:35:07,414

She turns around and she's like, is that the guys from Avenged?

486

00:35:07,414 --> 00:35:08,924

And I turn around.

487

00:35:08,996 --> 00:35:12,148

And I'm probably one of the biggest event sevenfold guys in the world.

488

00:35:12,148 --> 00:35:17,309

I'm like, my God, that is shadows and sinister gates literally sitting right there.

489

00:35:17,309 --> 00:35:19,810

And it's in the outside with this gate, right?

490

00:35:19,810 --> 00:35:21,512

And so they're just, they're just hanging out.

491

00:35:21,512 --> 00:35:24,194

And my wife is like the coolest person in the world.

492

00:35:24,194 --> 00:35:26,676

And I'm sitting there just like, my God, who is this?

493

00:35:26,676 --> 00:35:35,151

And so I turn around and I like, you know, they see us coming and we're cool and

collected, but I walk up to a sinister gates and I'm like, Hey, we're big fans of you

494

00:35:35,151 --> 00:35:35,852

guys.

495

00:35:35,852 --> 00:35:37,679

is it cool if we grab a picture?

496

00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:39,030

couldn't have been any nicer.

497

00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:39,890

They're like, yeah, sure.

498

00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:41,341

And just talk to us for a second.

499

00:35:41,341 --> 00:35:43,522

And the photo that I have, I'll show you in a little bit.

500

00:35:43,522 --> 00:35:47,763

The photo that we have is the guys in Event Sevenfold being cool as ever.

501

00:35:47,763 --> 00:35:50,064

My wife just smiling, being like, this is awesome.

502

00:35:50,064 --> 00:35:56,327

And me holding just like a stupid milkshake, looking like I can't believe this is

happening.

503

00:35:56,327 --> 00:35:57,689

Like, this is crazy.

504

00:35:57,689 --> 00:36:02,001

And I'm just like, you know, years later, I'm just like, can't, I'm still into them.

505

00:36:02,001 --> 00:36:02,621

I still love them.

506

00:36:02,621 --> 00:36:03,992

And I'll still always remember that.

507

00:36:03,992 --> 00:36:04,917

It's crazy.

508

00:36:04,917 --> 00:36:05,808

that's so fun.

509

00:36:05,808 --> 00:36:13,463

I you know, I've heard that about Vincent full that they're just good dudes and then you

know There there's someone that I there are people that I would like to meet and you know

510

00:36:13,463 --> 00:36:25,923

because of wrestling I have met a lot of like people and fans like, know, I've I was able

to chat with Jess Jesse from from kill switch engage or uh After the day after the music

511

00:36:25,923 --> 00:36:30,017

video, I'm not sure if you're familiar with this band, but their band called Necro Gobble

con

512

00:36:30,017 --> 00:36:31,099

Yeah, yeah.

513

00:36:31,124 --> 00:36:39,085

Goblin on the bit, you know, John Goblin con and all that So I'm friends with the band and

they and I was like, hey, you know This is a while back.

514

00:36:39,085 --> 00:36:46,445

I'm like, hey when you're in Orlando I'm know, let's get on stage and do do a bit with you

and you know I I went on and did a prince of the land of stench with them, which is really

515

00:36:46,445 --> 00:36:50,405

fun That was what was it yesterday two days ago?

516

00:36:50,485 --> 00:36:59,445

and there was another situation because I you know, they didn't it was all kind of on the

fly like I knew what I was doing but I didn't know what exactly and and You know like I

517

00:36:59,445 --> 00:36:59,945

was standing next to my wife.

518

00:36:59,945 --> 00:37:00,627

I'm like,

519

00:37:00,627 --> 00:37:03,770

That's the song and then you know one of their guys like hey if they need you to go out

there now I'm like, okay cool.

520

00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:10,427

So they already started and so like my wife by the time she turned around like I wasn't

there she's like And she's like sees me on the stage.

521

00:37:10,427 --> 00:37:11,502

But like that entire time.

522

00:37:11,502 --> 00:37:19,396

She's like she's like I just get so stressed out I think I just don't know how it's like

you just go you just go and do it like like and it's like that's yeah exactly It's just

523

00:37:19,396 --> 00:37:25,917

like I just don't know how you do it I'm like, yeah, you just you know music is kind of

like that where you just kind of you just kind of find your space in it, but you know

524

00:37:25,917 --> 00:37:31,197

I've been very blessed and hopefully, if anybody's listening, I'd love to meet a Ven Seven

Fold.

525

00:37:31,477 --> 00:37:33,017

I'd to meet them.

526

00:37:33,196 --> 00:37:38,122

Who's been your favorite people that you've met through this kind of merge of wrestling

and music?

527

00:37:38,302 --> 00:37:43,685

So a random one would be Joey Fatone That's a random one.

528

00:37:43,685 --> 00:37:53,060

He was very sweet very kind Being able to talk with Jesse is cool, you know, he's I get to

like like that between kill switch engage and times of grace like that's very yeah,

529

00:37:53,060 --> 00:37:57,572

they're their music's great and You know the lyric the lyrical content and this

530

00:37:57,572 --> 00:38:09,772

the stories that he tells and you know who he is as a person like Is That's kind of like a

lot of inspiration Like all like the lyrics and all that like they speak to a lot of

531

00:38:09,772 --> 00:38:12,012

people So that that's cool.

532

00:38:12,012 --> 00:38:20,272

I mean obviously like I mentioned before like Necro Gobble icon like the goblin like

either the entire bit The entire band is is so cool.

533

00:38:20,272 --> 00:38:22,032

They're a bunch of nice people

534

00:38:22,437 --> 00:38:23,147

Keep on the lookout.

535

00:38:23,147 --> 00:38:33,007

I might be doing a stream at some point with Dickie Allen The lead singer But I would say

as far as music at the crossover of music and wrestling those would be the biggest ones I

536

00:38:33,007 --> 00:38:36,910

was I'm very very Frustrated or mad.

537

00:38:36,910 --> 00:38:44,237

I don't know jealous of my wife because she got to meet, you know John Kramer from saw and

then she got to meet

538

00:38:44,237 --> 00:38:48,229

Corey Taylor, but I was wrestling at a house show.

539

00:38:48,730 --> 00:38:56,394

So I was wrestling and of course, you know, she got to meet them and like, well, whatever,

whatever, that's cool.

540

00:38:56,394 --> 00:39:01,767

But my wife being the absolute sweetheart she is, she got me an autographed picture from

both of them.

541

00:39:01,767 --> 00:39:06,007

So, you know, it worked out, it worked out, but I was like, I just wanna meet them, you

know?

542

00:39:06,007 --> 00:39:06,417

I know.

543

00:39:06,417 --> 00:39:11,301

And Florida is also one of those places where, you know, we talked about it being a hotbed

for metal and things like that.

544

00:39:11,301 --> 00:39:12,833

It's also a hotbed for horror.

545

00:39:12,833 --> 00:39:19,278

So the fact that you're saying saw and all that it's like, man, they're just like a drive

away at some of these conventions down there too.

546

00:39:19,278 --> 00:39:22,731

When I was living in Florida, I was very much going to many of those in my youth.

547

00:39:22,731 --> 00:39:24,672

And I was just like, I say youth, I'm 36.

548

00:39:24,672 --> 00:39:25,453

I'm still young.

549

00:39:25,453 --> 00:39:26,454

You're younger than me.

550

00:39:26,454 --> 00:39:32,529

But, but I just loved, I loved being down there, you know, and you brought up a couple of

different things there.

551

00:39:32,529 --> 00:39:35,121

And I'm just like, man, being able to.

552

00:39:35,266 --> 00:39:40,158

Kill Switch always for me, I'm going to always say something controversial when Kill

Switch comes up, because I love Kill Switch.

553

00:39:40,158 --> 00:39:42,909

Probably one of my top three bands all time.

554

00:39:42,909 --> 00:39:44,470

Times of Grace too.

555

00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:56,485

When that first Times of Grace record came out, I was just like, dude, this is for me,

probably some of the best music that anyone affiliated with Kill Switch Engage came out

556

00:39:56,485 --> 00:39:56,745

with.

557

00:39:56,745 --> 00:40:01,197

Like, Him of a Broken Man, I heard that, I was like, oh damn, what is this?

558

00:40:01,197 --> 00:40:03,911

And then just everything on that record was...

559

00:40:03,911 --> 00:40:14,442

The second one was really, really good too, but there was a period in time where I was

just like, if times of grace is what we get post kill switch, you boys here for it.

560

00:40:14,442 --> 00:40:15,882

Totally go on it.

561

00:40:15,882 --> 00:40:25,038

you're right that first album was absolutely was I I have like pretty I think I have the

whole album saved on one of my playlists Um that times of grace album was great.

562

00:40:25,038 --> 00:40:31,604

you know, i'm a big kill switch fan and you know, like You know howard and jesse and like

they're it's so cool that they're both cool.

563

00:40:31,604 --> 00:40:34,847

know, because I I listened to a little bit of what howard's doing now.

564

00:40:34,847 --> 00:40:35,927

what's the name of the band?

565

00:40:35,927 --> 00:40:37,491

Um, he's got

566

00:40:37,491 --> 00:40:40,871

He's got scion or skin or however you said, I think it's scion.

567

00:40:40,871 --> 00:40:43,636

But okay.

568

00:40:43,715 --> 00:40:45,934

No, you know what, it's, no, you know what, you're right, it's Light the Torch.

569

00:40:45,934 --> 00:40:47,158

He hasn't, there is another band.

570

00:40:47,158 --> 00:40:49,705

I've been listening to a lot of Light the Torch as well.

571

00:40:49,705 --> 00:40:58,403

But like, know between Howard and Jesse like they're both like doing the same, know doing

doing their things and it's nice to know like You know regardless of kill switch.

572

00:40:58,403 --> 00:41:07,403

There's always you know music that type of music that's going to be out and even the the

guitar player Adam he is working on a record with Howard right now So there's gonna be

573

00:41:07,403 --> 00:41:14,646

bass and which is funny because he worked on that record with Jesse for times of grace So

it's like it's like there's gonna be you know

574

00:41:14,646 --> 00:41:18,329

There's something for both era of fans, know, of Kill Switch Engage.

575

00:41:18,329 --> 00:41:22,343

And then when Times of Grace went on tour, they had some of the members from Killswitch on

there.

576

00:41:22,343 --> 00:41:26,846

Like I think Joel was on one of the first tours at Times of Grace did.

577

00:41:26,846 --> 00:41:34,512

I'm basically just like, this is one of those things in the scene too, like when you look

at like early metalcore, like Shadows Fall, All That Remains, Killswitch, it's like, these

578

00:41:34,512 --> 00:41:37,686

guys sang for this, like Phil was in Shadows Fall before All That Remains.

579

00:41:37,686 --> 00:41:41,489

And then this guy did, it's just kind of like everybody in that scene just helps out.

580

00:41:41,489 --> 00:41:44,802

And especially if you're so close with like talented musicians like that.

581

00:41:44,802 --> 00:41:46,095

Man, when I was a kid,

582

00:41:46,095 --> 00:41:49,015

I met Adam D in like the weirdest way too.

583

00:41:49,015 --> 00:41:53,035

So I'll be briefed that I got two more questions for you before we leave, if that's cool.

584

00:41:53,155 --> 00:42:01,015

But when I was a kid, right before I went to college, um, we had gone to, forget if it was

work tour, was another one of these like festivals.

585

00:42:01,015 --> 00:42:04,195

And right before that, my brother for my birthday was giving me like silly gifts.

586

00:42:04,195 --> 00:42:06,035

And he gave me this little key chain that was Mr.

587

00:42:06,035 --> 00:42:09,615

T and like five different phrases, little orange thing with blue buttons.

588

00:42:09,615 --> 00:42:12,375

You'd hit it and be like, I'm going to get you sucker or things like that.

589

00:42:12,375 --> 00:42:14,295

And it's just fun stuff.

590

00:42:14,375 --> 00:42:15,405

And I.

591

00:42:15,405 --> 00:42:16,876

Dude, I couldn't let this thing down.

592

00:42:16,876 --> 00:42:19,077

I was like, it's in my pocket everywhere.

593

00:42:19,077 --> 00:42:22,769

Killswitchinggauge comes on and I'm just like, I gotta be front row for this.

594

00:42:22,769 --> 00:42:24,760

Cause I love Killswitch.

595

00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,731

Killswitch comes up there.

596

00:42:25,731 --> 00:42:30,623

This is like after the curse came out and they were playing like that whole record, which

is banger record.

597

00:42:30,704 --> 00:42:35,046

Adam D walks out all six foot eight of this tall son of a bitch, right?

598

00:42:35,046 --> 00:42:40,649

He comes out and coming off of his short shorts, hanging off of his belt loop is that same

thing.

599

00:42:40,649 --> 00:42:41,450

That same Mr.

600

00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:42,390

T thing.

601

00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:44,471

And dude, I'm looking at him.

602

00:42:44,493 --> 00:42:46,506

And I'm just like, Adam, Adam.

603

00:42:46,506 --> 00:42:52,570

And while he's riffing, I forget what song it is, but it's a riff that's like not just

open to where he could do what he's about to do.

604

00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:57,292

So he's literally da da da da da da da, looking like, what's that little kid do?

605

00:42:57,292 --> 00:42:58,732

And I hold it up.

606

00:42:58,732 --> 00:43:05,637

He looks down at his, looks at me, stops playing, just goes, and dude, it was like, my

God.

607

00:43:05,637 --> 00:43:06,907

I was just like, this is crazy.

608

00:43:06,907 --> 00:43:11,919

So like after they got off stage, we went over to the side and I told the security guard,

I'm like, look.

609

00:43:12,207 --> 00:43:16,090

I swear I am not trying to pull what fast one on you.

610

00:43:16,090 --> 00:43:17,090

I have this Mr.

611

00:43:17,090 --> 00:43:21,744

T thing and I told him the whole story and he's just like, I'm going to watch you.

612

00:43:21,744 --> 00:43:22,895

I'm like, dude, please.

613

00:43:22,895 --> 00:43:23,925

Like Adam's right there.

614

00:43:23,925 --> 00:43:24,235

Watch it.

615

00:43:24,235 --> 00:43:24,736

I don't care.

616

00:43:24,736 --> 00:43:32,861

My buddy and I were there and Adam sees me walking towards him and I hold it up and he

holds his up and he's just like, yeah.

617

00:43:33,274 --> 00:43:35,516

It's so like literally Mr.

618

00:43:35,516 --> 00:43:40,595

T and that little plastic thing was just enough to meet kills which engaged that day.

619

00:43:40,595 --> 00:43:42,416

And I was so shocked with how tall he was.

620

00:43:42,416 --> 00:43:43,437

my God.

621

00:43:43,650 --> 00:43:46,790

say, I had no idea he was so tall.

622

00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:48,650

I would never have guessed that he was that tall.

623

00:43:48,650 --> 00:43:49,470

It's crazy.

624

00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:57,531

I'm 6'1", and I have to see if I can find that photo somewhere in the annals of history,

but like, I'm 6'1", and that guy was like, towers on me.

625

00:43:57,531 --> 00:43:59,113

I was like, Jesus Christ, dude.

626

00:43:59,113 --> 00:44:01,022

Yeah, he's a big boy.

627

00:44:01,022 --> 00:44:02,662

I didn't really see it.

628

00:44:02,762 --> 00:44:05,102

I like watching concert videos at all times.

629

00:44:05,102 --> 00:44:08,722

I would never have guessed that he's that tall.

630

00:44:08,725 --> 00:44:09,796

You don't think about it.

631

00:44:09,796 --> 00:44:14,298

And then you look at the rest of the band and you're just like, okay, perspective wise.

632

00:44:14,298 --> 00:44:15,059

Yeah.

633

00:44:15,059 --> 00:44:20,703

So it's just like, it's, it's crazy, but I got two more questions for you before you

leave, which is one question I've been asking everybody.

634

00:44:20,703 --> 00:44:22,784

And one is a new question to the show.

635

00:44:22,784 --> 00:44:29,998

we just had Ben Elaron, who just got off the stage with mastodon and you know, we started

talking about it and I was like, man, it's a good question to ask.

636

00:44:29,998 --> 00:44:33,750

Cause I asked him on his show and now I got asked on this show.

637

00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:37,692

So question number one, you got to put together.

638

00:44:37,776 --> 00:44:46,367

a you got to put together a three match card that's full of just musicians doing a

wrestling thing.

639

00:44:46,367 --> 00:44:50,917

What would those be and who would you have as the musicians and what kind of matches?

640

00:44:50,917 --> 00:44:54,268

So these musicians are wrestling, it's not music.

641

00:44:54,669 --> 00:44:56,990

Okay, all right, so three match card.

642

00:44:56,990 --> 00:45:05,455

Okay, well, off rip, I would probably have Corey Taylor and Fred Durst in a hardcore

match.

643

00:45:07,588 --> 00:45:09,429

That's my immediate one.

644

00:45:09,429 --> 00:45:10,400

Let's see.

645

00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,986

I guess Shadows from Avenged and...

646

00:45:12,986 --> 00:45:15,771

Let's go with Matt Tuck from Bullet for My Valentine.

647

00:45:15,771 --> 00:45:17,045

um

648

00:45:17,045 --> 00:45:18,100

see for this last one.

649

00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:20,019

We'll do a battle of the axes here.

650

00:45:20,019 --> 00:45:20,793

Let's do...

651

00:45:20,793 --> 00:45:21,314

I know.

652

00:45:21,314 --> 00:45:21,855

Okay.

653

00:45:21,855 --> 00:45:25,881

In their prime, both Sinister Gates and John Petrucci.

654

00:45:27,244 --> 00:45:28,245

Yeah.

655

00:45:28,346 --> 00:45:30,388

Battle of the Axes right there.

656

00:45:30,576 --> 00:45:34,949

I love that one too and I love how it's like influence meets influenced in that one.

657

00:45:34,949 --> 00:45:38,373

Exactly exactly Those those that was three right?

658

00:45:38,554 --> 00:45:39,442

Yeah, okay

659

00:45:39,442 --> 00:45:41,597

Gates is also shredded to the gills.

660

00:45:42,583 --> 00:45:43,162

So.

661

00:45:43,162 --> 00:45:50,742

weird like I remember one Shadows, like I was in high school and they came out with Hail

to the King and like he came out like he was beefy.

662

00:45:50,742 --> 00:45:54,766

Like he was a big dude and I was like, I don't remember him being so huge.

663

00:45:55,026 --> 00:46:03,330

yeah, back when we, back when they were doing Warped Tour originally and it was sounding

the seventh trumpet and things like that, they were, you know, a little smaller, all

664

00:46:03,330 --> 00:46:04,570

wearing the black and whatever.

665

00:46:04,570 --> 00:46:05,241

was cool.

666

00:46:05,241 --> 00:46:12,165

Then they came out with City of Evil, which to me is my favorite Avenged record of all

time, which that was my high school record, right?

667

00:46:12,165 --> 00:46:17,407

And so when they came out with that, you see the first bunch of pictures and they're all

jacked to the nines.

668

00:46:17,407 --> 00:46:20,178

Shadows is just like singing all ripped.

669

00:46:20,178 --> 00:46:22,265

like, my God, what are we doing?

670

00:46:22,265 --> 00:46:26,277

And then after that same thing, most of the band got ripped on that and it's crazy.

671

00:46:26,277 --> 00:46:30,150

So for me, yeah, it's, I like that Prime, sinister gate.

672

00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:31,410

Mm-mm.

673

00:46:31,410 --> 00:46:32,090

Keaton beefy.

674

00:46:32,090 --> 00:46:34,111

That should be another shirt too in the metal chorus scene.

675

00:46:34,111 --> 00:46:35,351

Keaton beefy.

676

00:46:35,351 --> 00:46:45,874

And then the last question I ask everybody before they come on, the last question I ask

everybody, if you had to choose three songs that represent Javi, either personally or...

677

00:46:45,874 --> 00:46:51,561

wrestling wise what would those three songs be that you put on a spotify playlist to let

people know this is hobby

678

00:46:51,561 --> 00:46:53,729

Through Struggle by Azalea dying.

679

00:46:53,729 --> 00:46:55,948

The End of Heartache by Killswitch Engage.

680

00:46:55,948 --> 00:46:57,826

There's plenty that I want to say.

681

00:46:57,826 --> 00:46:59,054

I would say...

682

00:46:59,054 --> 00:47:00,267

It's on the tip of my tongue.

683

00:47:00,267 --> 00:47:01,821

I hear this song in my head.

684

00:47:01,821 --> 00:47:06,320

I'm trying to remember the name of it, which is probably a bad look for this question.

685

00:47:06,768 --> 00:47:08,953

It's always the toughest question I ask everybody.

686

00:47:08,953 --> 00:47:14,724

get to the end of every conversation and people are just like, wish you would have told me

that before.

687

00:47:14,724 --> 00:47:16,379

I'm like, no, it's the spontaneity, man.

688

00:47:16,379 --> 00:47:16,713

That's.

689

00:47:16,713 --> 00:47:17,424

tough question.

690

00:47:17,424 --> 00:47:20,207

So it's two events that have been fold songs.

691

00:47:20,207 --> 00:47:23,431

One's off the Nightmare record and one's off the Wake in the Fallen record.

692

00:47:23,431 --> 00:47:24,623

I hope I see you tonight.

693

00:47:24,623 --> 00:47:25,093

That's what it is.

694

00:47:25,093 --> 00:47:26,544

I hope I see you tonight.

695

00:47:27,064 --> 00:47:28,978

Yeah, a little deep cut there.

696

00:47:28,978 --> 00:47:30,159

That's awesome, I like that one.

697

00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:36,124

And I'm hoping that everybody who hears us talking and goosing about Avenged Sevenfold

here will go check out.

698

00:47:36,124 --> 00:47:39,437

First off, you should already be checking out the discography, because they're great.

699

00:47:39,437 --> 00:47:41,629

And if you're not, then please go check it out.

700

00:47:41,629 --> 00:47:47,053

And if you're checking out this last record, go check out the earlier records too, because

they are just slammin'.

701

00:47:47,053 --> 00:47:48,401

Man, awesome.

702

00:47:48,401 --> 00:47:49,174

no, yeah, love that.

703

00:47:49,174 --> 00:47:51,193

The early stuff is my favorite stuff.

704

00:47:51,193 --> 00:47:52,133

Me too, yeah.

705

00:47:52,133 --> 00:47:54,134

It's like Prime Avenged, I love it.

706

00:47:54,634 --> 00:47:56,975

Javi, thank you so much for hanging out with us today.

707

00:47:56,975 --> 00:48:06,038

It's been number one, probably one of my favorite conversations having just talking all

Metalcore and all that and just seeing, again, all the things that you have going on, the

708

00:48:06,038 --> 00:48:08,238

perspective of what's coming next.

709

00:48:08,238 --> 00:48:09,953

And I know I'm excited for it.

710

00:48:09,953 --> 00:48:12,201

I everybody listening and watching is excited for it.

711

00:48:12,201 --> 00:48:14,271

And you just seem super excited for it.

712

00:48:14,271 --> 00:48:17,643

So, you know, keep up just everything you're doing.

713

00:48:17,643 --> 00:48:19,281

Keep rocking and...

714

00:48:19,281 --> 00:48:21,878

I'm so excited to have had you on the show.

715

00:48:21,878 --> 00:48:23,192

Absolutely man, thank you so much.

716

00:48:23,192 --> 00:48:26,099

It's been a blast talking here and hopefully we get to do this sometime again soon.

717

00:48:26,099 --> 00:48:26,740

I really enjoyed it.