Joe Altier on Being The Voice of The Big Show Entrance Theme in WWE and AEW, Brand New Sin, Triple H Watching Him Perform

we're on stage and like the second song, I see two people out of the corner of my eye come

running down in between the barricade and the stage, you know, and, know, I'm just kind of

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looking and it's somebody with their hair down over their head and a girl and I look down

and they make eye contact with me and it's Triple H and Stephanie.

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So they're just standing in front of our, in front of our,

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of the stage is rocking out and just having a blast.

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They fist bump me and they're enjoying our show.

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Well, it's just Joe.

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I feel like if you're on the show, it's only proper that we introduce you that way.

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But even in the music that I write, I don't usually do lyrics.

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don't use, I usually do lyrics.

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I usually don't do vocals, but we've got you, the man, the myth, the vocal legend here.

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Many of you on my show.

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may know who this gentleman is already from any of his covers he's done over on YouTube,

but most specifically for our entrance theme, Connoisseur is here.

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The man who you hear in the big shows theme and in Paul White's theme, the one and only

Joe Altier.

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Thank you for joining us today, my friend.

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it's pleasure man.

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I always love talking my wrestling and my you know history because it's one of those

things like I'm world famous, but I'm not world famous You know like if you're if even if

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you're not a wrestling fan You know that song and like it's weekly that that song is going

viral that least the noise is going viral on some video You know and everybody's always

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like hey, did you see this video like?

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you know, and they're using the thing.

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It's like everybody knows that voice, but I could walk into a room and I could be sitting

at WrestleMania ringside.

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No one's going to know that it was me, you know?

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So it's one of those things like, yeah, everyone knows that voice, but they don't know who

I am, you know, which it's just fine.

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I do like, it's fun to think that I'm a part of like, you know, wrestling history and also

a part of like,

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What's the word?

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Like just, you know, pop culture.

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I think that's really what it comes down to, you know?

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I love the fact that you brought up too that, you know, you can do all of these different

things, but there's like this different level of like fame, right?

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Because people know you, they hear you, right?

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They know all of that.

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But I think my buddy Ben Eller puts it best.

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goes, cause he does a lot of videos on YouTube and he's played with like Mastodon when

their guitarist dropped out for a little bit.

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And he's just, he's just like, you know, I'm grateful for the success that I have.

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grateful that people know me.

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I'll go to the NAMM show and

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It's a great hang, but I can still go to the grocery store and not get chased down.

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And I'm like, it's such a cool dynamic to be able to have a brand, but at the same time,

still be able to live, you know, some sort of like normal life, if you will.

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Although as musicians and artists, normal life is a relative term, it?

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relative, but yeah, it's pretty wild.

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But then, you know, when I do get into talking to people about things and they're like,

you know, and then that gets brought up and like, my God, that was you.

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And especially because I think a lot of people, because there's a lot of times like you

said before, I think before we started talking is that like you were familiar with my

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covers, but you didn't know I was in Brand New Sin or...

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You know, one, I look a little bit different than I did in Brain New Sin.

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I mean, I still tattoo, but I'm a little skinnier.

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I'm a lot healthier than I was back then.

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uh It was a different style of singing.

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There's times I'm doing like some kind of, know, soft ballad or something like that.

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And someone chimes in like, my God, I put two and two together that you're the singer,

you're also the singer of Brain New Sin.

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And I'm like, yeah, like I have the ability to chameleon my voice into,

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different genres.

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I'm lucky not every singer has that ability.

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I mean, if you need the aggressive stuff, like yesterday I was working on a metal song

with a guy in Poland and you know, but then I got done and I sang a song by bread, you

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know, for some content, you know, so it's, it's, it's fun.

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I'm, I'm hoping and I can do that for a long time, but you know, I am in my fifties and I

know at some point there's going to be some kind of, you know, time and age is going to

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catch up with me, you know, but.

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But it's also a testament though to how you're probably taking care of your voice too.

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Cause even there's a social clip on TikTok or Instagram or YouTube, wherever I had seen

it.

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And you're talking about that.

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You're like, Hey, you may know my music here, but you definitely know my voice from Big

Show.

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And it's just your talking voice.

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And then all of sudden you throw in the effects, you drop the voice and then you hit all

of them.

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And it's just like, it's so true to form that.

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I don't, again, I don't know what you're doing for your voice, but at the same time, it's

like, you've been able to keep that versatility for years and years and years.

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And I, for me personally, if I ever do sing, I've always tried to have my influences

there.

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And my big three influences, you know, without knowing it were number one being brand new

sin, because SPP was like, I feel like that's probably like the closest that my low voice

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could probably get.

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Yeah.

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Sully Erna from Godsmack because take this as a complete compliment, you're the only two

vocalists that I've heard that sound like a freight train.

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And I'm like, that is the coolest thing when you have that.

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And then Matt Heafy is my third from Trivium, but like, it's a very different dynamic.

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Yeah, but like, yeah.

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two sides to that, I guess, if there's an answer.

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One is that I've always treated my voice as I'm an actor, you know?

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And some people don't understand that some musicians can get up on a stage and do certain

things, and they're like, man, but then they're a different person in real life and all

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that stuff.

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I'm like, dude, we're no different than an actor.

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Right.

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cause you saw Kevin Costner in Bull Durham, doesn't mean he's that guy or Kevin Costner in

Yellowstone.

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Everyone's playing a different role.

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And me with my music, I've always treated each one, just like somebody who's a voice

actor.

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You're doing different voices, you're acting, you're playing the role.

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And it doesn't mean that I'm not genuine.

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I get to pull influences from different people.

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If I'm singing my softer stuff, I'm pulling my influences from people like Otis Redding,

Kenny Rogers, Garth Brooks, but then if it gets heavier, I'm pulling my influences from

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Phil Anselmo and James Hetfield and Sully Erna as well as a vocal influence.

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So it's different, but one of the things I learned years ago as I was getting older and I

was watching a lot of my peers,

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who are singers start to have struggles.

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And when you're younger and you're in your 20s and early 30s, you can get away with like,

just, you know, smoking cigarettes, drinking, not taking care of yourself and kind of

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muscle through it because you the, you have youth on your side, but the people who have

had long careers and have been able to maintain their voice, there's difference.

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People can still have long careers and still sound like shit, you know.

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And we don't, everyone knows examples of that.

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I don't even have to bring that up anymore, but it's different to hear someone like Glenn

Hughes, who's in his seventies, you know, being able to sing, you know, old deep purple

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songs that he did in the original key or Paul Rogers, who's nearly 80 being able to do

that.

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And one thing that there was one thing that was common amongst all of those guys that had

longevity.

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One, they,

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they got sober at some point.

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That was one thing.

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There was a point where drugs and alcohol had to go away.

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And that's one thing I really started doing a number of years ago.

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I started scaling back and then eventually I got sober almost two years ago.

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And it wasn't because I'm like, my God, I'm in the gutter.

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It wasn't serving me anymore.

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And I'm like, man, I can't do this to my body anymore.

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And second of all, I work out five, six days a week.

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I'm in the gym.

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I'm out running a couple days a week.

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I'm out walking all the time.

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My body is my instrument.

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have to take care of that.

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And that's huge.

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like one of it is diet and exercise.

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Any other part of it is, you know, staying away from substances, you know, and it doesn't

mean that you have to have that, but you at some point it has to be either a cutoff from

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those substances or you have to have a very good balance with those because alcohol is the

worst thing for your voice.

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It drives you out.

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It dehydrates you.

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There's a million different things that could go sideways ah with alcohol and then all the

other substances and smoking and all those things.

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So I think that's a very long answer to the two parts of what happens with my blood.

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That's how I do it.

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That's how I do it, or at least how I maintain, you

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Yeah, and I think it's also true to form because I always tell a lot of my musician

friends or even a lot of the students at my wife and I's music school, I go, listen, if

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you're looking to be a musician over time, number one, you got to know the ways to take

care of your body.

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And even for younger students who are starting to get into the instrument, I'm like, you

can start early, build these habits.

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You know, even if you're playing guitar, like there's different things you could do to

take care of your hands and things like that.

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But with vocals and with the voice, it's a completely different thing.

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And

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a completely different level.

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And the thing is too, there's, I often stress that there's a difference between being like

just a full blown 100%.

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This is my artistic sound.

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I'm only going to do the thing that's in my head kind of artist.

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And then there's a musician whose role is to serve whatever music they have to do or

whatever need they see fit.

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And then there's kind of the blend of both of those.

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And it's not to take away from the artistry of the other.

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But like, for example, you wouldn't have a Kurt Cobain who, and no disrespect, I love

Nirvana, but like Kurt Cobain was genuinely Kurt Cobain and all that implies, right?

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But Kurt Cobain wasn't going to go ahead and try to sing like Guns N' Roses.

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He wasn't going to try and sing like Pavarotti.

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He was just like, this is the sound that represents me.

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Take it or leave it.

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This is what I do.

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But then you have people like us who do different gigs, different sessions, and we still

have our own original music that we deliver.

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But at the same time, it's just like you have that additional versatility and a different

tool set.

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So there's those three different levels.

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It's like the professional musician, like the work music, right?

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Then there's that middle ground.

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And then there's the whatever my art is, that's what my art is.

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And whatever that is, you got to kind of deal with it, right?

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Yeah, it is.

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mean, I saw a thing the other day where Alice Cooper's like, everyone was that when people

were asking him like, you know, if it was asked in a new year, like, how have you been

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able to maintain your voice all this years?

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And he's like, I've never I sang in like a four or five note range.

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stayed right in the middle.

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So that like, you know, he goes, I was never an opera singer, but he goes, I just knew to

never because I knew where to land.

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And that's how some people do it.

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You know, I mean,

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I was on the road with a singer a few years ago and he is just known for like that very

high acrobatic, all this stuff and that's a stain.

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He's constantly having to hit these notes and I'm like, bro, like, you know you're not

gonna be able to do this forever.

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Like, and he goes, well, you know, if I keep it trained, I'm like, let's start looking at

people that sing of that nature and see if they still can sing like that.

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Steve Perry, Mariah Carey.

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You know, those people that have insane ranges.

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ah There is a definite thing that happens as you age.

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There's a reason why Steve Perry didn't sing for Journey and still does it anymore.

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He knows.

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He knows he can't do that anymore.

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Singers like that are amazing, but there is more of a shelf life for people like that,

unfortunately, than ever.

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And I'm not saying that there's definitely outliers, but for the most part.

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If you're going to have a career, you got a longer career, you got to make sure you don't

set the bar too friggin high for yourself.

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I always said that in the studio.

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I don't want to do something in the studio.

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I mean, every once in a while I will, but for the most part, I don't want to be doing a

bunch of shit here in the studio that I won't be able to pull off live.

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And that's important, the fact that you're taking that creative that you're doing and

you're saying, what am I going to actually be able to have you here when we go live?

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And it's interesting too, because we dive all from talking about the live and the creative

and all the work that you do.

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And we're going to come back to that here in a second.

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But I want us to dive a little bit into the work that you've done in wrestling entrance

themes and stuff.

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light is about to go off.

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I'm making sure that it doesn't.

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So, just got a new thing.

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All right, there we go.

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Just wanted to make sure that was working.

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All right, go ahead.

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But yeah, carry on.

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I wanna dive a little bit into some of the work that you've done.

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For one, Paul White, the big show, the giant, however you know him, the work that you've

done with him.

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And you started with the obviously very well known, the big show theme that came,

originally it was written by Jim Johnston, right, the first one.

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And then I would argue, and I don't even think it's an argument, that the version that you

put together and Brand New Sin put together,

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was and still is the version that people remember about Big Show.

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So I'd love you to walk us through a little bit on how you and you guys came to work on

that theme for the Big Show.

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It's quite a story.

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I've told it so many times that I have it down condensed.

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But it is funny how many people like online like, well, you didn't sing the original.

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Like I never said I sang the original.

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And they're like, well, Michael, he sang the original.

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And I'm like, yeah, all of us hardcore wrestler fans know that.

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ah But I don't think that song would have had the staying power.

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And I think that's what they're really going for.

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And I'm kind of jumping ahead of the story.

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But how this all came about was we were on tour with Motorhead.

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in 2005, spring of 2005, when we were playing at the Hampton Beach Casino in Hampton

Beach, New Hampshire.

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you know, guys in motorhead and the crew were like, hey, know, Triple H and Stephanie are

going to be out tonight.

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You know, obviously their connections.

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So and they live close to Hampton Beach at the time.

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So or New Hampshire, I think they outside of Boston, I believe.

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So they're like, they're going to be at the show tonight.

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We're like, all right, cool.

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You know, but like sometimes.

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You hear that a celebrity is going to be at a show, but they don't roll into like the last

minute.

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They're rolling in just before Motorhead is playing.

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They're not interested in seeing the opener, you know.

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um So I didn't think much of it at that point in my career.

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I was like, I'm not going to get, you know, get my hopes up, you know, things could

change, but we got on stage.

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to let the fans know this is for when Triple H had long hair, ladies and gentlemen.

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Just time frame.

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Yeah, this is 20 years ago.

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And so we, we're on stage and like the second song, I see two people out of the corner of

my eye come running down in between the barricade and the stage, you know, and, know, I'm

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just kind of looking and it's somebody with their hair down over their head and a girl and

I look down and they make eye contact with me and it's Triple H and Stephanie.

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So they're just standing in front of our, in front of our,

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of the stage is rocking out and just having a blast.

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They fist bump me and they're enjoying our show.

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like, this is fucking awesome.

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And most of the guys in my band weren't privy to wrestling.

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One guy, my one guitar player was.

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And him and I kept looking at each other like, this is fucking awesome.

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So we get done with a set.

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We go into the dressing room.

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I'm in the dressing room and there's a knock on the door and I open it and it's AAA to

Stephanie.

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I'm like, hey, blah, blah, blah, can we come in?

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And we're like, yeah, absolutely, come in.

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We just had a long conversation.

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were just praising us.

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They're like, you guys are fucking great.

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Have some beers with us and just shooting the shit.

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And they're like, hey, we wanna present you guys to the brass.

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We think you guys could be a great addition to the music world in WWE.

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And we're like, well, of course, yes.

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Of course we want that opportunity.

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And this isn't just coming from.

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You know, this isn't a takeaway from the other guys that are in the WWE.

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This isn't, you know, the jobbers, the guys that are there, the stars.

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These are, you know, he's now the boss of the freaking company.

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She's the daughter of the owner.

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You know, it's like, uh, these are people that actually going to make something happen.

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So we ended up having a great night.

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They took back a bunch of stuff.

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They took some merchandise and, and we said our certain buys and like a week and a half

later, our manager got a call from WWE headquarters and they're like, listen, we, we had.

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definitely want to work with the band.

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just don't know what capacity yet.

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So we're just going to, you know, we wanted to reach out and say, yes, we're gonna, uh,

and you'll be hearing from us at some point.

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Cause at that point they, know, there's always different seasons and different storylines

and different ideas of what they're doing.

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So, you know, they just didn't know exactly where we're going to get plugged in.

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So then fast forward to the fall, was like October, you know, like four or five months

later, we finally get a call again from our manager.

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We're on tour and

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and uh Carolina's with Black Label Society and our manager called and said, hey, WWE

called and they finally picked a wrestler that they want you to work with.

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And we're like, all right, who?

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And they're like, well, the big show.

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And we're like, awesome.

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Like, yeah, he's coming back.

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um And we're like, well, are we writing yet?

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What are we doing?

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They're like, no.

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And then they had Jim Johnstone on the phone with us.

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And he's like, no, want you, he goes, just want you to take the existing theme song and

just sludge it up, slow it down.

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down tune the guitars, you know, and just, and blah, blah.

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And we'll see you in a week.

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We're like a week.

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like, so they knew we had two days off in between Springfield, Massachusetts and Toledo,

Ohio.

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So they're like on those two days off on this tour, right after Springfield, you're gonna

come on that Monday and come straight to Stanford, Connecticut to record the song and

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we'll spend all day.

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And we're like, man, how are we gonna rehearse this?

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Or like just work on it.

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We have all day at the studio at WWE.

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Um, so yeah, we ended up rolling in and WWE headquarters that Monday, which was crazy

because Monday night raw was going to happen that night.

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So there was a lot going on in the studio and headquarters that night because they were

getting ready for Monday night raw.

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So in between Jim recording us and us working that out, there was like 10 people in the

control room also doing shit for Monday night raw.

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They're the editor editing it.

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We got to add this song.

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We had to do this, you know, and you know, the writer would call and came, we got to make

this change.

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So.

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It was pretty chaotic, but to watch Jim work and anybody who's into wrestling knows how

legendary Jim is and the long history that he had.

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To watch someone of that stature work was fucking fascinating.

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I think that was one of the things I love and that he was able to watch something that he

had to do with Raw and then immediately turn his attention back to us and get us, he

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wasn't at any moment felt like he was like.

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distracted or annoyed that we were there.

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He knew what jobs he had to do and he was balancing it all.

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And I was like, this guy's a fucking Superman.

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So, but that's how it came about.

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And that's how we ended up at WWE headquarters.

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And again, this is, it's a long story and there's a lot of fucking twists and turns, but

eventually we recorded that in the fall, but it didn't make its debut because they weren't

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sure what big show was going to do.

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At that time he was in WWE.

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But then they had just at that time acquired the rights to A to ah man, why am I

forgetting?

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uh No, they bought why am I thinking where the Dudley boys came from and all the ECW they

just bought ECW.

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That's what it was.

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I got all these W's in my head.

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I'm like, which one was it?

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They bought ECW and what they were doing, they're like, oh, we're going to move Big Show

over to ECW.

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And we're going to debut it when we do our first ECW pay-per-view, would be the following

May or June of 06 is when the theme song finally made its debut.

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Cause then they knew what they were going to do.

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And then they changed this character.

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wanted to make it.

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think at that time he came out as a heel.

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So they wanted that music to kind of coincide with that.

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And then the rest is history.

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Really.

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It's such a crazy story too, because it starts literally from you guys at a concert,

right?

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Playing with Motorhead who writes Triple H's theme.

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And it's like, he's just going to be there.

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And then all of a sudden, you, there's always the opportunity that WWE calls and says,

Hey, we're going to work with you and nothing ever comes.

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Right.

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And we know as musicians that that can happen.

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But then the other side is when it actually does and you're like, wow, what's going to

happen?

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And then you're making all these snap decisions in

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a week, right?

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And even probably in the recording room, you guys are making those compositional

decisions.

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And by the way, ladies and gentlemen, not to date either of us, but now this computer

behind me, if you can see it somewhere, is the computer I do all my entrance themes on.

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I'm plugging DI into it.

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I've got sequence drums or I'm getting tracks from people, wherever the case.

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That's not the case.

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back when you're recording there, you're talking about you're going in, you're setting up

amps, you're setting up all this different stuff.

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So it's not even that you just have like, okay, a day to write the music or a week to

write the music, you're talking setup, you're talking production.

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And for those who don't know, Jim would spend like 20 hours in his studio at WWE HQ.

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Like you're not talking about somebody who's clocking in an eight hour day.

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And a lot of the people who work over at WWE are clocking that kind of timeframe because

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was crazy to be at headquarters and we've been back to headquarters a few times for a

couple of different things, one of them being an acoustic version of the song that we did

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up there, which was a few months later.

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No, a year later, a year later we went back and did that.

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But just to see, at least at that time, I I haven't been around the organization, man,

what a freaking machine it was.

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mean, it was like...

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Man, there was so many moving parts and so many people involved in so many different

things.

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it was pretty freaking cool to watch.

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I'm that type of person.

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I'm like, I'm not just having to be here.

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I just, want to watch how shit is getting done.

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And their studio there was like, well, what equipment do we need?

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They're like, you don't need anything.

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We have everything.

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I mean, they literally, you walked in this other room and Jim's like, well, what guitar do

you want?

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What amp do you want?

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What drums do you want?

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whatever you needed was there.

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My guys I think did use their guitars just because that's their guitars, but everything

else was already provided by that.

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Once they got the music down, then he kicked everybody out.

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He said, you guys can go to dinner, now I want you.

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And that was pointing at me and then we spent.

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That was fun.

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It wasn't hard, it was a lot of fun.

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I freaking learned a lot.

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But when you work with someone, any producer, not just Jim, like if you're working with

any music producer,

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that's on another level and you get a chance to work with them and you listen and you

know, and I learned so much in a few hours time, you know, because it probably took two,

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three hours to record those vocals.

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You know, but you're also there's WWE brass on the other side of the fucking window and

I'm sitting here cutting, you know, this theme song is going to be heard by literally

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millions, if not billions of people.

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And, you know, yeah, the pressure was on a little bit, you know.

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But how collaborative was it working with Jim?

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Because it sounds like obviously you had the music for the reference and he's like, cut a

heavier version of this.

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But at the same time, it has its own character.

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Otherwise, it wouldn't have its staying power if we were about the first version, right?

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Well, I think that was one of the biggest things.

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One was like, there wasn't a second verse to that song.

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And they were like, all right, we've got to get a second verse.

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I was trying desperately to write some lyrics because I'm like, fuck, I want a writing

credit on this.

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Because if I get a writing credit on this, man, this thing could buy me a house at some

point, you know, with the amount of streams we're going to get.

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Unfortunately, did because, right.

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But Jim's like, no, no, I'll have lyrics for it.

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E-notes.

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I'm like, well, I tried.

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I'm like, you ought to say what I'm trying to do.

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He well, absolutely, buddy, because I got some other stuff.

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ah But I think really when it came down to the collaborative part of it, I had cut pretty

much the entire song.

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But as any wrestling entrance theme goes, you've got to grab someone within the first half

a second, second, two seconds.

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Literally, two seconds is a long time for a wrestling theme song.

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You hear the clash smash and there comes Stone Cold.

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You hear a certain noise or you hear the funeral bell.

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You know the Undertaker's coming out.

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So that part has to be so iconic.

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And I remember he goes, all right, let's just cut this.

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Because I was having, I wasn't even promised with the beginning.

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We just, he's like, let's move forward and let's come back and we'll end with the

beginning.

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And.

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If anyone remembers that original theme song, it was very bluesy.

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It was kind of like a big blues singer doing that well.

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And I kept trying to do it like that.

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And Jim's like, no, no, no, no.

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He was letting me try it.

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And he's like, you know what?

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It doesn't work with the rest of the song.

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He's like, fucking throw that out the window.

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Stop trying to do that.

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And he goes, what would you do?

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Like, what are you going to do?

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You know, like, what do you think?

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You know, and I just kept toying with it.

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And I'm like, well, you know, I just went, wheeee

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maybe a second and no music happens.

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just, hear that and we know the big show's coming and boom.

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the way, real quick, I just got to cut you off because only you could hit perfectly that a

that's in the AEW one.

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And then the only you could hit the exact notes from the AEW one and the exact note from

the WWE one, right?

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That's seeing that.

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them two different times, you know, and so like, depending on what theme song I'm thinking

of, because when that, if you want to jump ahead, when that one came to me, you know, that

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was, that was a crazy story too, but like,

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the one we're talking about real quick for those who are familiar with that one or

unfamiliar is all of sudden Big Show makes the big jump over to AEW now going by Paul

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White and Mikey Ruckus and you collaborate on that new theme.

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yeah, sorry to cut you off.

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I just wanted to give a little context for that.

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we went over to that and Mikey had sent me that and that's a crazy story, but I'll jump

ahead and we can digress if we have to.

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like when we went back, when he sent me that track, didn't have well in it.

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wasn't, he had already written the lyrics and the melody lines and everything and I just

kind of had to mimic it.

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And he's like, man, if you feel something, you feel something.

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And in my head, I'm like, well,

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There has to be some kind of bridge.

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There has to be something that connects the two.

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know?

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Like, that theme song and him, I honestly think his theme song is sometimes more iconic

than the actual wrestler.

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Again, in pop culture now, people hear that theme song, but they're gonna think the theme

song or the song, not even think of Paul.

414

00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,332

And I'm not saying because of me, but just the way it is.

415

00:28:42,332 --> 00:28:44,244

So I'm like, how do I bridge

416

00:28:44,244 --> 00:28:44,949

yeah.

417

00:28:45,246 --> 00:28:46,806

How do I bridge the two?

418

00:28:46,806 --> 00:28:52,326

And I literally had, when Mikey had gotten a hold of me, he's like, I'm sending this over.

419

00:28:52,326 --> 00:28:53,266

I'm like, well, when do you need it done?

420

00:28:53,266 --> 00:28:54,766

He's like, today.

421

00:28:54,966 --> 00:28:56,246

This is on Monday.

422

00:28:56,246 --> 00:28:58,786

And he goes, we're gonna have this out Wednesday or Thursday.

423

00:28:58,786 --> 00:28:59,926

We don't know which day it was.

424

00:28:59,926 --> 00:29:01,446

Cause this is during the pandemic.

425

00:29:01,446 --> 00:29:04,366

So, you know, things are a little weird because I don't know what night we're gonna use

this.

426

00:29:04,366 --> 00:29:05,786

But he goes, we gotta have it done today.

427

00:29:05,786 --> 00:29:06,566

Can you get it done today?

428

00:29:06,566 --> 00:29:09,466

I'm like, yeah, let me go.

429

00:29:09,466 --> 00:29:10,426

You know, he's like, all right.

430

00:29:10,426 --> 00:29:13,637

And I sat down in here and at the time I still was drinking.

431

00:29:13,637 --> 00:29:22,931

I just went back there and I just took a big slug of whiskey and poured myself a shot of,

you know, some high end whiskey, did a shot and I came over to the mic and did that.

432

00:29:22,931 --> 00:29:28,523

And I just heard that, and there was a stop.

433

00:29:28,703 --> 00:29:34,346

And I'm like, there's my opportunity to go, know, and do the well.

434

00:29:34,346 --> 00:29:38,527

And then it's been a long, long road and it's just getting started.

435

00:29:38,527 --> 00:29:42,089

Cause before there, that wasn't, that didn't exist, you know?

436

00:29:42,089 --> 00:29:42,628

So.

437

00:29:42,628 --> 00:29:46,464

so surprising though, and the thing is, Mikey the Fed, yeah.

438

00:29:46,464 --> 00:29:48,737

a yeah or something like that.

439

00:29:49,578 --> 00:29:53,380

I can't 100 % but it did not say well.

440

00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,371

And I'm like, it has to have it there.

441

00:29:55,371 --> 00:29:59,284

And when I sent it over, he's like, oh dude, this is gold.

442

00:29:59,284 --> 00:30:01,185

Cause now we bridge it.

443

00:30:01,185 --> 00:30:04,847

Cause now when that theme song hits and you're like, I don't know exactly who it is.

444

00:30:04,847 --> 00:30:07,829

But then you hear that and the wrestling fans are gonna be like, oh

445

00:30:08,251 --> 00:30:08,621

Right.

446

00:30:08,621 --> 00:30:11,042

And I'll say, I haven't worked with Jim.

447

00:30:11,042 --> 00:30:17,625

I've worked with Mikey a couple of times and I've been grateful when they've used, used

music that I've written for wrestlers and they've been brought in.

448

00:30:17,625 --> 00:30:22,107

Mikey pulled me to do one song for the Sing EP, which is just like, what?

449

00:30:22,107 --> 00:30:24,248

Little me is just like, what are we doing?

450

00:30:24,248 --> 00:30:26,369

Little me, big me feels like little me at that point.

451

00:30:26,369 --> 00:30:34,257

But the thing that I have to tie through with both of them is they trust you to trust

yourself and trust your instincts.

452

00:30:34,257 --> 00:30:37,079

you said with Jim, it's like, what would you do for that?

453

00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:39,081

Well, and I'm not going to try doing it again.

454

00:30:39,081 --> 00:30:47,027

Um, but then like with the, with the Paul white theme, Mikey sends that to you he's like,

Hey, I've got this, but do what you feel.

455

00:30:47,027 --> 00:30:54,323

also by the way, for anyone thinking that that today turnaround time is crazy, it's not

ask Mikey, ask you, ask me.

456

00:30:54,323 --> 00:30:59,708

There's been plenty of things that we've been like, Hey, this needed to be done like an

hour ago, that kind of stuff.

457

00:30:59,708 --> 00:30:59,938

Right.

458

00:30:59,938 --> 00:31:04,441

And it's just when it comes to writing music too, sometimes it's like,

459

00:31:04,497 --> 00:31:09,060

That's when you get real creative too, because it's like, you know what you should do.

460

00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:12,352

You know what you want to do and you know exactly what you're not going to do.

461

00:31:12,352 --> 00:31:17,456

But at the same time, you know, I can, I can understand how there's that collaborative

thing there.

462

00:31:17,456 --> 00:31:21,368

And it's like, Mikey knows, Hey, this is the guy that did that.

463

00:31:21,368 --> 00:31:21,949

I'm, sorry.

464

00:31:21,949 --> 00:31:24,083

I'm still just shocked that it didn't come through.

465

00:31:24,083 --> 00:31:26,152

And he's like, you got to do the well, man.

466

00:31:26,152 --> 00:31:28,308

You got to do the well, but it's funny.

467

00:31:28,308 --> 00:31:30,868

remember that being there originally.

468

00:31:30,868 --> 00:31:32,248

It might've been something else.

469

00:31:32,248 --> 00:31:40,568

mean, I'm sure on my hard drive somewhere I have it, you know, and I haven't listened to

it, but like that happened so fast.

470

00:31:40,868 --> 00:31:43,488

And I just did three vocal comps.

471

00:31:43,488 --> 00:31:44,328

like, how many you want?

472

00:31:44,328 --> 00:31:46,428

He's like, can you get me at least two vocal comps?

473

00:31:46,428 --> 00:31:48,048

I'm like, yeah, no problem.

474

00:31:48,048 --> 00:31:54,963

So I did two or I think I did three and half hour later I sent it over to him.

475

00:31:55,151 --> 00:31:56,811

And he's like, shit, you're done already?

476

00:31:56,811 --> 00:31:57,301

I'm like, yeah.

477

00:31:57,301 --> 00:31:58,713

He's like, fuck.

478

00:31:58,713 --> 00:31:59,653

He goes, awesome.

479

00:31:59,653 --> 00:32:01,634

He goes, no, no, this is great.

480

00:32:01,634 --> 00:32:07,336

And then that evening, I was streaming, and at that time I was streaming on Twitch.

481

00:32:07,357 --> 00:32:10,728

And you know, I didn't have any gigs going on, so I was streaming almost every day.

482

00:32:10,728 --> 00:32:17,681

So I'm streaming on Twitch and then I get an email and he had sent me like a comp of like

what was, what was going to sound like.

483

00:32:17,791 --> 00:32:19,012

I'm like, holy shit.

484

00:32:19,012 --> 00:32:21,102

I go, this sounds so cool.

485

00:32:21,103 --> 00:32:21,859

And then.

486

00:32:21,859 --> 00:32:23,686

The next day he sent me the final version.

487

00:32:23,686 --> 00:32:25,631

He goes, it's going off on Wednesday.

488

00:32:26,490 --> 00:32:27,494

my god.

489

00:32:27,494 --> 00:32:35,404

So, know, Monday to Wednesday and, you know, it was quick, I mean, half hour, 40 minutes

tops, I think I did that in.

490

00:32:35,487 --> 00:32:38,670

I think I spent more time just sitting there kind of listened to it.

491

00:32:38,670 --> 00:32:51,797

And then me, when it comes to vocals, anybody who, once you start getting to the fifth,

sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, 12th, any takes that just start going down the line, you

492

00:32:51,797 --> 00:32:55,875

either got to step away from it completely or you got to scrap it because.

493

00:32:55,875 --> 00:33:04,138

my opinion, all my my best vocals and anybody who's a vocalist will tell you, oh, they got

that on the first or second take.

494

00:33:04,138 --> 00:33:12,982

You know, yeah, you might go back and punch things in, the the gut of it and the majority

of it is done in that initial exception, because after you get any musician, I'll tell you

495

00:33:12,982 --> 00:33:16,283

when you record doesn't necessarily be a singer, any of them.

496

00:33:16,283 --> 00:33:19,775

Once you get past a couple of takes, then you start getting into your fucking head.

497

00:33:19,775 --> 00:33:24,717

And it's really hard not to, because then you're like, well, we really need you to get

that one little part.

498

00:33:24,717 --> 00:33:25,647

And then you're like,

499

00:33:25,647 --> 00:33:29,202

Then it all fucks everything up and then everything just starts, it's like a house of

cards.

500

00:33:29,202 --> 00:33:30,653

You're like, you fall apart.

501

00:33:30,653 --> 00:33:32,261

So, you know.

502

00:33:32,261 --> 00:33:33,173

it at that point too, right?

503

00:33:33,173 --> 00:33:37,917

And especially if you know like your theory and things like that, you're like, maybe I'll

try this, maybe I'll try this.

504

00:33:37,917 --> 00:33:42,231

And you try to get a little, and you try to get a little over creative, right?

505

00:33:42,231 --> 00:33:45,213

And you're just like, oh, well, I'll do this and I'll do this.

506

00:33:45,213 --> 00:33:48,977

When in reality you hear it, you trust your ear and you just go for it.

507

00:33:48,977 --> 00:33:49,751

Yeah.

508

00:33:49,751 --> 00:33:50,171

right.

509

00:33:50,171 --> 00:33:53,191

So sometimes that's why I'm like, man, that's like, we got that.

510

00:33:53,191 --> 00:33:54,931

And somebody be like, are you sure?

511

00:33:54,931 --> 00:33:56,451

I'm like, yeah, we'll do a punch in here and there.

512

00:33:56,451 --> 00:33:58,611

But that's, that's, that's the emotion.

513

00:33:58,611 --> 00:34:04,531

I mean, if we want to sound robotic, we can absolutely do that, you know, but in that

instance, no.

514

00:34:04,531 --> 00:34:06,591

So, but yeah, that was, that was fun too.

515

00:34:06,591 --> 00:34:07,709

That was a lot of fun.

516

00:34:07,709 --> 00:34:09,404

I'm gonna give Mikey a hard time about that too.

517

00:34:09,404 --> 00:34:11,360

I'm gonna be like, listen, wait a minute.

518

00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,025

How is that not in it?

519

00:34:13,025 --> 00:34:14,060

And I know he's...

520

00:34:14,060 --> 00:34:14,830

him.

521

00:34:14,971 --> 00:34:20,173

And I apologize if it happened to be in there, but I don't recall.

522

00:34:20,173 --> 00:34:28,697

And Mikey, if it was in some way, form, then I apologize, but I don't think it was, or I

don't think it existed like that.

523

00:34:28,697 --> 00:34:29,421

Right.

524

00:34:29,421 --> 00:34:32,516

There was something representative maybe, but it wasn't just the...

525

00:34:32,516 --> 00:34:32,950

yeah.

526

00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:36,210

again, was, was shit.

527

00:34:36,590 --> 00:34:43,270

Five years ago almost over five, was, was that 2020, 2021, 2020?

528

00:34:43,830 --> 00:34:45,490

I don't remember.

529

00:34:46,110 --> 00:34:54,150

I wouldn't pull up my computer, but my literally my Mac studios did an update a little

while ago and it's just doing this really weird blinking thing.

530

00:34:54,150 --> 00:34:58,522

there's like, it was, okay, that was 2021.

531

00:34:58,522 --> 00:34:59,102

couldn't remember.

532

00:34:59,102 --> 00:35:03,462

I don't feel like it was in 2020 because nothing was happening in 2020.

533

00:35:03,462 --> 00:35:06,482

So yeah, it was the summer of 2021 when that happened.

534

00:35:06,759 --> 00:35:07,860

That's not how the song goes.

535

00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:09,911

goes summer of 69, but.

536

00:35:11,572 --> 00:35:14,284

And so you've done Paul White's theme.

537

00:35:14,284 --> 00:35:16,036

You've done big shows theme.

538

00:35:16,036 --> 00:35:24,471

Have you ever gotten to just like meet up with him and be like, Hey man, how's this in

both sides?

539

00:35:24,789 --> 00:35:34,789

meet Paul a handful of times and one of them was shortly after we recorded that, it's like

a week or two after we had happened to be in Wisconsin and we're on our way, I think to

540

00:35:34,789 --> 00:35:38,089

Indianapolis to play on that same Black Label Tour.

541

00:35:38,089 --> 00:35:48,569

All this stuff happening in freaking literally a couple weeks time, the phone call, the

recording, and then WWE is like, can you make it to, I think it was Indianapolis.

542

00:35:49,505 --> 00:35:53,056

somewhere in the Midwest and they're like, hey, you we know you have a day off.

543

00:35:53,056 --> 00:35:55,689

Do you guys come to Raw?

544

00:35:55,689 --> 00:35:59,168

Come meet everybody, come meet Vince, come backstage, come the whole night.

545

00:35:59,168 --> 00:36:05,205

And so we drove overnight, I think from like Madison and or somewhere up there in

Wisconsin.

546

00:36:05,205 --> 00:36:08,196

And we drove down, it might've been Milwaukee, who knows.

547

00:36:08,217 --> 00:36:16,021

And we drove and we got to Indianapolis early in the morning and we literally pulled right

into the arena and.

548

00:36:16,202 --> 00:36:23,144

And as soon as we got out, know, the brass was there and like, hey, we're going to show

you around what you guys want to do.

549

00:36:23,144 --> 00:36:26,845

And our tour guide for the day was, was, was Triple H.

550

00:36:26,865 --> 00:36:27,855

I believe he was hurt.

551

00:36:27,855 --> 00:36:30,105

I believe he was hurt at the time.

552

00:36:30,566 --> 00:36:31,336

I don't know.

553

00:36:31,336 --> 00:36:33,506

I think he was injured at the time.

554

00:36:33,666 --> 00:36:36,567

He was not wrestling that night, but he was there.

555

00:36:36,667 --> 00:36:38,475

So, you know, he just took us around.

556

00:36:38,475 --> 00:36:40,418

You guys want to see everything took us out shows.

557

00:36:40,418 --> 00:36:44,109

They're getting the ring up that, you know, Triton, you know, the

558

00:36:44,109 --> 00:36:53,354

big screen is up, they're doing all this stuff, get to go in the ring and jump on the

ropes and realize how fucking hard the ropes are, how nothing's really as cushioned as it

559

00:36:53,354 --> 00:36:53,774

looks.

560

00:36:53,774 --> 00:36:57,666

ah You know, then we went to catering and we got to meet Vince.

561

00:36:57,666 --> 00:37:08,921

Vince was incredibly nice to us and grateful for what we had did, you know, and backstage

at WWE is not just seeing the wrestlers that are wrestling now.

562

00:37:09,069 --> 00:37:14,513

But all the people that work behind the scenes, know, Sergeant Slaughter was still working

behind the scenes at the time.

563

00:37:14,834 --> 00:37:18,597

you know, and Steamboat, Ricky Steamboat was behind the scenes.

564

00:37:18,597 --> 00:37:23,701

And there was all these old school wrestlers that were still in the biz and on some level.

565

00:37:23,701 --> 00:37:27,163

So like me being backstage was just like.

566

00:37:27,864 --> 00:37:28,805

This is awesome.

567

00:37:28,805 --> 00:37:31,867

And then they're like, well, you know, Paul's going to be here eventually.

568

00:37:31,867 --> 00:37:35,250

When you get here, let's all we're going to do some photos with you guys.

569

00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:39,293

So he arrived and we went out and we got some pictures, but this is like.

570

00:37:39,383 --> 00:37:43,256

was like flip-foam photos that I have, they're horrible.

571

00:37:43,256 --> 00:37:46,619

I'm sure WWE's got them, but we got to meet him and hang out.

572

00:37:46,619 --> 00:37:51,524

um And then we got to watch the whole show.

573

00:37:51,524 --> 00:38:00,042

We got to sit down on some writing sessions and watch how Shawn, I don't remember who

Shawn Michaels was wrestling that night, but we got to sit in one of the rooms and watch

574

00:38:00,042 --> 00:38:03,714

Shawn Michaels plan out the match.

575

00:38:03,755 --> 00:38:06,017

It was fucking awesome to watch that, right?

576

00:38:06,017 --> 00:38:06,769

So cool.

577

00:38:06,769 --> 00:38:10,866

And most people will go back and they'll see who they worked with.

578

00:38:10,866 --> 00:38:15,023

But very few people get to see that whole inner working behind it also.

579

00:38:15,048 --> 00:38:17,409

you know, and then the writers came in and like, hey, we're going to do this.

580

00:38:17,409 --> 00:38:18,800

You know, can you guys finish it up?

581

00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,151

We need this to be seven minutes.

582

00:38:20,151 --> 00:38:23,232

You know, because the time like this is happening in real time.

583

00:38:23,232 --> 00:38:25,993

So everything's getting moved depending on all that stuff.

584

00:38:25,993 --> 00:38:27,734

So to watch that was cool.

585

00:38:27,734 --> 00:38:40,740

And then the next time we got to see Paul was the following year when ECW because ECW and

uh Smackdown would record on the same night.

586

00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:42,110

They would just, know.

587

00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:43,787

Right, they do one before the other, yeah.

588

00:38:43,787 --> 00:38:49,879

so they would do Smackdown then change all the colors and change the ring look and all

that stuff.

589

00:38:49,879 --> 00:38:54,861

So they're like come up to Albany tonight's going to be, you know, the first time other

than the pay-per-view.

590

00:38:54,861 --> 00:38:59,473

This can be the first time that, you know, Big Show comes out to his team song.

591

00:38:59,473 --> 00:39:00,564

We want you there.

592

00:39:00,564 --> 00:39:03,225

So we went up to Albany, which is we're from Syracuse.

593

00:39:03,225 --> 00:39:05,066

So drove up to Albany a couple hours.

594

00:39:05,066 --> 00:39:08,477

We sat right behind right behind the announcers all night.

595

00:39:08,477 --> 00:39:10,925

We were behind, you know, Jim Ross and in.

596

00:39:10,925 --> 00:39:13,747

Lawler and like literally right behind them.

597

00:39:13,747 --> 00:39:15,749

So we got to sit there all night.

598

00:39:15,749 --> 00:39:20,719

And when Big Show came out that night, you know, they're like, hey, the guys are here.

599

00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:21,964

You know, they're right behind us.

600

00:39:21,964 --> 00:39:25,907

know, the cameras are panning to us and you know, all that sad Paul came out.

601

00:39:25,907 --> 00:39:29,980

We end up having lunch with Paul that day at catering and, you know, pointed us out.

602

00:39:29,980 --> 00:39:31,872

So it was it was cool.

603

00:39:31,872 --> 00:39:34,003

You know, those are the two times we got to hang out with him.

604

00:39:34,003 --> 00:39:37,906

And there was one time he came through Syracuse and I got to see him briefly and stuff.

605

00:39:37,906 --> 00:39:40,246

So but yeah, what a

606

00:39:40,246 --> 00:39:42,617

What a wild time, man, to be able to see all that.

607

00:39:42,617 --> 00:39:48,099

The Albany one stuck out to me because that was a time, Undertaker's my favorite

restaurant of all time.

608

00:39:48,099 --> 00:39:52,241

And he walked into catering and I'm sitting there with Paul and I'm just like, and Paul's

like, what?

609

00:39:52,241 --> 00:39:53,711

I'm like, is Undertaker here?

610

00:39:53,711 --> 00:39:55,042

He's like, yeah, Mark.

611

00:39:55,162 --> 00:39:55,972

I'm like, yeah, dude.

612

00:39:55,972 --> 00:39:59,450

I'm like, I don't get starstruck, but that's my favorite restaurant of all time.

613

00:39:59,450 --> 00:40:00,224

He's like, you want to meet him?

614

00:40:00,224 --> 00:40:02,725

I'm like, I get clammed up.

615

00:40:03,085 --> 00:40:09,895

So he took me over and we met Mark for, you know, for a few minutes and was just like, I

don't even know if I said words, you know.

616

00:40:09,895 --> 00:40:11,511

You just, yes, yes, sir.

617

00:40:11,511 --> 00:40:12,232

Yes, sir, Mr.

618

00:40:12,232 --> 00:40:12,503

Mark.

619

00:40:12,503 --> 00:40:14,257

I mean, Undertaker, yes.

620

00:40:14,603 --> 00:40:14,923

this.

621

00:40:14,923 --> 00:40:15,804

Yeah, doing this thing.

622

00:40:15,804 --> 00:40:17,212

So it was just cool.

623

00:40:17,212 --> 00:40:23,191

You know, and then obviously for a long time I was able to I had a phone number and

anytime I wanted to go to a show, they'd hook me up.

624

00:40:23,191 --> 00:40:26,023

But I don't know if that phone number still works anymore.

625

00:40:26,023 --> 00:40:28,766

don't think there's a lot has changed in 20 years.

626

00:40:28,766 --> 00:40:29,526

So

627

00:40:29,895 --> 00:40:30,795

That's so cool though.

628

00:40:30,795 --> 00:40:38,449

And it's, one of those things that shows that the relationship of that theme of you, a big

show, like that continues over the years.

629

00:40:38,449 --> 00:40:46,872

You know, it's like, you know, I'm grateful to say that the themes that I've worked on for

wrestlers, like there's that community, there's that relationship.

630

00:40:46,872 --> 00:40:56,746

And it's like, you don't realize it kind of getting into this and doing this, but then

when you are a musician and you have this skill and you're painting that sonic palette of

631

00:40:56,746 --> 00:40:59,153

a wrestler story, it's just like.

632

00:40:59,153 --> 00:41:01,255

There's a gratefulness on both sides, I think.

633

00:41:01,255 --> 00:41:04,577

And I think Kevin said this with It Lives It Breathes.

634

00:41:05,138 --> 00:41:08,581

He worked on Will Ospreay's theme before I was with It Lives It Breathes.

635

00:41:08,581 --> 00:41:13,685

And he's just like, hey, it's crazy because I wrote this song for this guy when he's on

the Indies.

636

00:41:13,685 --> 00:41:15,207

Now he's in AEW.

637

00:41:15,207 --> 00:41:20,841

And it's just like, then all of sudden they're on this ship rock thing together and

they're singing separate ways.

638

00:41:20,841 --> 00:41:23,173

And Will Ospreay's like, hey, here's this.

639

00:41:23,173 --> 00:41:28,049

And it's like, you grow these friendships, but you also never know where your music's

going to go.

640

00:41:28,049 --> 00:41:29,911

You know, you don't know where the track is going to go.

641

00:41:29,911 --> 00:41:32,982

could just, it could stay in the bingo halls, which is great.

642

00:41:32,982 --> 00:41:33,446

It's awesome.

643

00:41:33,446 --> 00:41:37,531

It's still doing the job that it's supposed to do, but it could grow into so much more.

644

00:41:37,531 --> 00:41:41,607

And then, you know, that just relationship with your wrestler grows.

645

00:41:41,607 --> 00:41:43,749

And it's like, it's so cool to see.

646

00:41:43,927 --> 00:41:52,867

Yeah, I mean, even last week there was a viral TikTok of there's this guy that's a DJ,

he's a DJ and he goes to different cities around the country.

647

00:41:52,867 --> 00:41:56,987

And I think he's like, I don't know if he's an EDM DJ or something in that.

648

00:41:56,987 --> 00:41:58,367

He's a club DJ.

649

00:41:58,367 --> 00:42:00,847

And I don't know if he's super huge, but he's well known.

650

00:42:00,847 --> 00:42:04,967

He travels and tours, but he dropped in the middle of a song.

651

00:42:04,967 --> 00:42:07,667

He dropped the big shows new song.

652

00:42:07,667 --> 00:42:10,407

And the video was like, I didn't expect this to happen.

653

00:42:10,407 --> 00:42:12,437

And it's like the whole crowd just.

654

00:42:12,437 --> 00:42:17,907

Well, it's the end of the whole fucking club is just bumping and singing the words.

655

00:42:17,907 --> 00:42:24,481

then like every time something like this happens, someone's tagging me like, hey, you

know, and then I'll chime in like, hey, that's me singing.

656

00:42:24,481 --> 00:42:26,981

There's a lot of times people like, you're full of shit.

657

00:42:26,981 --> 00:42:28,499

You didn't fucking sing the song.

658

00:42:28,499 --> 00:42:30,432

You're like the Internet is just so brutal.

659

00:42:30,432 --> 00:42:33,253

I'm like, I don't care what I know my truth.

660

00:42:33,253 --> 00:42:36,444

I mean, a simple Google search would prove that I'm the guy.

661

00:42:36,444 --> 00:42:37,755

But whatever.

662

00:42:37,755 --> 00:42:39,125

If you believe.

663

00:42:39,413 --> 00:42:43,879

something else you think I'm just trying internet clout then whatever I don't give a shit

I

664

00:42:43,879 --> 00:42:46,051

again, though, you know who they think it is.

665

00:42:46,051 --> 00:42:48,203

They're just like, Paul did that.

666

00:42:48,203 --> 00:42:49,384

Big Show did that.

667

00:42:49,384 --> 00:42:50,292

And you're just like...

668

00:42:50,292 --> 00:42:53,052

hate, Paul hates the theme song that you did.

669

00:42:53,052 --> 00:42:57,932

And I'm like, well, in this interview, I'm like, no, I'm like, think you got taken out of

context and, and stuff.

670

00:42:57,932 --> 00:43:01,852

I'm like, you're looking at interviews, but so I chimed in on that.

671

00:43:01,852 --> 00:43:04,412

And then the DJ wrote me and he's like, holy shit.

672

00:43:04,412 --> 00:43:05,772

goes, man, you're a legend.

673

00:43:05,772 --> 00:43:06,472

You're an OG.

674

00:43:06,472 --> 00:43:09,192

And he's like, actually, I'm going to be up in the Northeast at some point.

675

00:43:09,192 --> 00:43:12,752

I'm like, well, let's figure it out and let's do that.

676

00:43:12,752 --> 00:43:17,674

And one of your middle shows, I'll come out and start singing it while you drop it.

677

00:43:17,674 --> 00:43:19,415

He's like, dude, that'll be so epic.

678

00:43:19,415 --> 00:43:21,568

I'm like, so at some point that's gonna happen.

679

00:43:21,568 --> 00:43:24,821

I'm just like, dude, that's gonna be so much fucking fun.

680

00:43:24,862 --> 00:43:25,702

You know?

681

00:43:25,702 --> 00:43:26,523

Oh my gosh.

682

00:43:26,523 --> 00:43:29,025

And you again, you never know where it's going to take you.

683

00:43:29,025 --> 00:43:33,980

And, you know, and now let's do a brief kind of talk about some of the covers you do.

684

00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:43,720

You know, I know we're kind of, want to respect your time as much as possible, but I'd be

remiss to be able to not talk about whiskey lullaby, or let's actually just talk about

685

00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:49,755

what we were talking about off pod the other day, which was that Margaritaville cover,

man, your boy.

686

00:43:49,755 --> 00:43:51,307

went to high school in Key West.

687

00:43:51,307 --> 00:43:53,180

went from eighth grade to 12th grade.

688

00:43:53,180 --> 00:43:55,134

That's not high school, but it's that thing.

689

00:43:55,134 --> 00:43:55,685

there.

690

00:43:55,685 --> 00:43:58,999

What a fucking wild experience that must have been.

691

00:43:58,999 --> 00:44:01,250

everyone's just like, was it living in Key West?

692

00:44:01,250 --> 00:44:09,684

And I'm like, I feel like as a teenager, it was very different because you know, when you

go down as a grownup and when you go down as a grownup that doesn't have kids, it's a

693

00:44:09,684 --> 00:44:10,554

different experience.

694

00:44:10,554 --> 00:44:12,575

When you go down with kids, it's an experience.

695

00:44:12,575 --> 00:44:17,347

But when you grow up there as a kid, you're just like, this is a two by four mile Island.

696

00:44:17,347 --> 00:44:25,490

And to go to a mall is a five hour drive and to go to a concert that you actually want to

see at that age is a dude.

697

00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:26,850

It's crazy.

698

00:44:26,850 --> 00:44:28,992

a Walmart.

699

00:44:29,913 --> 00:44:33,557

People don't realize, I have a friend that still lives there.

700

00:44:33,557 --> 00:44:38,893

And he's just like, I love it down here, but he goes, can't, you have to, there's no Home

Depot.

701

00:44:38,893 --> 00:44:40,805

There's no Walmart.

702

00:44:40,805 --> 00:44:42,987

None of that shit exists in any of the keys.

703

00:44:42,987 --> 00:44:44,735

So it's a very wild thing.

704

00:44:44,735 --> 00:44:46,435

hope that it's got everything you need.

705

00:44:46,435 --> 00:44:47,251

oh

706

00:44:47,251 --> 00:44:48,402

you better hope that it does.

707

00:44:48,402 --> 00:44:52,465

But yeah, the covers have always been like...

708

00:44:53,446 --> 00:45:04,656

Long story short is when I was in Brand New Sin, when I would come home from tour and then

we were home for three weeks, four weeks, a couple of months, everyone had to go get a

709

00:45:04,656 --> 00:45:05,026

job.

710

00:45:05,026 --> 00:45:06,617

We weren't making enough money in that band.

711

00:45:06,617 --> 00:45:09,080

If anything, we were just fucking throwing, we were losing money.

712

00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:14,744

We come home sometimes after five weeks with zero fucking dollars and probably $10,000 in

debt.

713

00:45:15,637 --> 00:45:22,217

All of a sudden to come home and make enough money to pay our bills or make enough money

so that we could afford to go back out on the road again.

714

00:45:22,417 --> 00:45:27,837

So, you know, I started coming home like I don't want to go work a fucking job.

715

00:45:27,837 --> 00:45:29,617

I've been playing rock star for two months.

716

00:45:29,617 --> 00:45:31,077

I don't want to do this.

717

00:45:31,077 --> 00:45:36,777

You know, and I've always had the ability to just sit down and play at the piano and play

cover upon cover upon cover.

718

00:45:36,777 --> 00:45:39,197

And I'm just looking at the other guys here in town.

719

00:45:39,197 --> 00:45:41,797

I'm like, man, there's guys in this town playing three, four nights a week.

720

00:45:41,797 --> 00:45:42,957

I can do them.

721

00:45:42,957 --> 00:45:44,357

You know, no offense to them.

722

00:45:44,357 --> 00:45:45,565

I'm just as good.

723

00:45:45,565 --> 00:45:47,126

if not better than these guys.

724

00:45:47,126 --> 00:45:51,188

So I started using my clout and Brand New Sin to get me in the door.

725

00:45:51,188 --> 00:45:59,523

But then I became a novelty because I was like, my God, the singer from Brand New Sin is

in this bar on the corner singing out in John Songz and Billy Joel.

726

00:45:59,523 --> 00:46:03,165

And that eventually became my identity even after I left Brand New Sin.

727

00:46:03,165 --> 00:46:08,048

And I've been a full-time musician doing that ever since those days.

728

00:46:08,048 --> 00:46:11,816

So I was making more money doing that than I was in the band.

729

00:46:11,816 --> 00:46:14,938

And when I left the band, then I just dove onto that in the full time.

730

00:46:14,938 --> 00:46:21,782

So then eventually social media came around and I started posting up some covers and stuff

like that.

731

00:46:21,782 --> 00:46:23,663

And then, you know, the pandemic came around.

732

00:46:23,663 --> 00:46:31,068

So then social media became even more important and streaming became more important, you

know, and I'd always had fun, like reworking songs.

733

00:46:31,068 --> 00:46:34,040

So, know, someone's like, Hey man, you know, can you play Warpigs?

734

00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,552

You know, and I'd find out a version of how to play Warpigs on the piano.

735

00:46:37,816 --> 00:46:45,682

But really when things took off is one night I was on a Twitch stream and I was like

playing someone wanted to hear Brown Eyed Girl.

736

00:46:45,682 --> 00:46:48,465

I'm like, God, I don't want to fucking play this song.

737

00:46:48,465 --> 00:46:51,468

It's it's so overplayed and I don't want to play it again.

738

00:46:51,468 --> 00:46:52,389

I'm like, you know what?

739

00:46:52,389 --> 00:46:52,789

Fuck it.

740

00:46:52,789 --> 00:46:55,171

I'm going to try playing it in a minor key.

741

00:46:55,171 --> 00:46:57,093

What happens when I put it in a minor key?

742

00:46:57,093 --> 00:46:59,655

So I, you know, instead of G was in G minor.

743

00:46:59,655 --> 00:47:03,398

So I started doing that and slow it down and sing it a little bit.

744

00:47:03,398 --> 00:47:06,010

The melody is a little bit different to hit the notes.

745

00:47:06,260 --> 00:47:08,561

And I'm like, wow, I'm onto something here.

746

00:47:08,561 --> 00:47:16,661

And at that time, TikTok started taking off because my TikTok that really blew things up

for me was me saying, hey, have you ever wondered what the, you know, the voice of, you

747

00:47:16,661 --> 00:47:19,644

know, that was the one that blew up that got me the WWE.

748

00:47:19,644 --> 00:47:20,945

That was like a half million.

749

00:47:20,945 --> 00:47:27,367

But the one that really broke the gates open was my version of a brown eyed girl and a

minor key.

750

00:47:27,367 --> 00:47:28,397

And that went viral.

751

00:47:28,397 --> 00:47:31,068

Like, you know, like a million views in one day.

752

00:47:31,336 --> 00:47:33,938

And then I'm like, all right, I think I'm on to something.

753

00:47:33,938 --> 00:47:36,350

And then it was like the floodgates had opened from there.

754

00:47:36,350 --> 00:47:38,671

Like, let's rework this.

755

00:47:38,671 --> 00:47:39,822

What if it was a country song?

756

00:47:39,822 --> 00:47:41,593

What if we just turned it into a ballad?

757

00:47:41,593 --> 00:47:43,625

What if we turned it into a minor key?

758

00:47:43,625 --> 00:47:53,352

What if we did like the Margarita Ville one that I just did was like, you know, I was

like, all right, I'm going to sit here with my programs and just do like a drum loop and

759

00:47:53,352 --> 00:47:56,444

add some strings and like, let's do a dark cinematic version of it.

760

00:47:56,444 --> 00:47:58,577

And now I'm doing those things because those are.

761

00:47:58,577 --> 00:48:00,369

None of them gone viral, but they're cool.

762

00:48:00,369 --> 00:48:01,758

And at some point they're going to do that.

763

00:48:01,758 --> 00:48:02,921

It just offers this thing.

764

00:48:02,921 --> 00:48:09,627

So really over the past five years, I really just have kind of dove into like re-imagining

songs.

765

00:48:09,627 --> 00:48:11,248

And sometimes they hit with people.

766

00:48:11,248 --> 00:48:14,201

Sometimes they piss people off, but I'm like, I don't really care.

767

00:48:14,201 --> 00:48:17,082

Cause some people are so protective.

768

00:48:17,844 --> 00:48:23,989

They're like, I could put so and so be rolling over in their grave or somebody be so

pissed.

769

00:48:23,989 --> 00:48:26,821

then sometimes I'm like, I sent them a screenshot.

770

00:48:26,931 --> 00:48:31,071

you know, in the comment of like that artist fucking being like, this is awesome.

771

00:48:31,071 --> 00:48:43,111

And like, I don't give a fuck what you say, you know, and honestly, the gatekeeping that

happens in amongst fans and fandom because of the internet is ridiculous because I know as

772

00:48:43,111 --> 00:48:50,851

an artist, if someone took one of my original songs and Brand New Sin or as a Just Joe or

anything like that and did something cool with it, I'd be like, dude, that's fucking

773

00:48:50,851 --> 00:48:51,837

awesome.

774

00:48:51,837 --> 00:48:53,143

Of course, yeah.

775

00:48:53,209 --> 00:48:54,237

And you know-

776

00:48:54,237 --> 00:49:01,255

I don't think any artist out there is gonna be pissed off or like, my God, I can't believe

you ruined my work.

777

00:49:01,255 --> 00:49:05,168

You know, it's like, man, get over yourself.

778

00:49:05,168 --> 00:49:12,565

as artists, I think we always appreciate that someone seeing your work and someone doing

something with it, whether it's exact or whether it's their own rendition of it.

779

00:49:12,565 --> 00:49:16,838

But something with Margaritaville too is, you know, showing my wife your version of it.

780

00:49:16,838 --> 00:49:22,563

And she's just like, I would not have like, cause she knows the song in its current form.

781

00:49:22,563 --> 00:49:24,325

She's just like, it's funny though.

782

00:49:24,325 --> 00:49:25,685

Like you don't think about it.

783

00:49:25,685 --> 00:49:26,817

And my wife's a musician too.

784

00:49:26,817 --> 00:49:29,341

She's got her master's in piano performance.

785

00:49:29,341 --> 00:49:31,903

better musician than I ever feel I ever am, right?

786

00:49:31,903 --> 00:49:39,298

But like, she hears it and she's just like, you would never think that from the lyrics,

but I always bring up bands like Less Than J Kour, like Ska bands are doing everything

787

00:49:39,298 --> 00:49:39,788

upbeat.

788

00:49:39,788 --> 00:49:41,810

She's like, yeah, but they do songs in minor too.

789

00:49:41,810 --> 00:49:50,375

You you talk about a song like Margaritaville and she's like, you would never think that

it's that dark of a song until you read the lyrics, like you said.

790

00:49:50,375 --> 00:49:52,227

And she's like, I wonder why he wrote it like that.

791

00:49:52,227 --> 00:49:53,878

I'm like, look, there's two different things.

792

00:49:53,878 --> 00:49:57,020

One is what is your skill palette?

793

00:49:57,020 --> 00:49:57,761

Three things.

794

00:49:57,761 --> 00:49:58,703

Second is

795

00:49:58,703 --> 00:50:00,907

What can you actually do as a musician, right?

796

00:50:00,907 --> 00:50:01,919

And what's going to sell.

797

00:50:01,919 --> 00:50:10,998

And third is like, is there some juxtaposition of like, let's make it sound real happy,

but at the same time, it's really this crushing song, you know?

798

00:50:10,998 --> 00:50:16,320

when it comes to radio, at least back then, know, upbeat always sold quicker.

799

00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:25,963

You wanted some people to dance to, snap to, not to say that ballads couldn't be big, but

like if you go back and listen to a lot of those songs in the 60s, even the early days of

800

00:50:25,963 --> 00:50:32,805

rock and roll, some of those are really dark songs, like, know, oh, wake, oh, wake my

baby.

801

00:50:32,805 --> 00:50:34,415

It's a fucking car crash.

802

00:50:34,415 --> 00:50:36,677

The girl died in his goddamn arms.

803

00:50:36,677 --> 00:50:37,704

Right.

804

00:50:37,874 --> 00:50:42,254

And they're like, ah, got the song that's going like this.

805

00:50:42,254 --> 00:50:49,154

And it's like, but you got in a car crash and your girlfriend died in your arms on a rainy

night.

806

00:50:49,194 --> 00:50:52,154

And now you're just screaming for her, go where is she?

807

00:50:52,154 --> 00:50:54,074

You know, like, he's heartbroken.

808

00:50:54,093 --> 00:50:56,414

But everyone's like, and they're dancing to it.

809

00:50:56,414 --> 00:51:00,274

It's like, wait a minute, don't you listen to these fucking lyrics.

810

00:51:00,274 --> 00:51:01,634

And that happens a lot.

811

00:51:01,634 --> 00:51:05,734

Or sometimes the lyrics might've been meant for an upbeat thing, but.

812

00:51:05,734 --> 00:51:09,065

they're open for interpretation to be looked at a different way.

813

00:51:09,065 --> 00:51:14,336

Like in Brown Eyed Girl, that is an absolutely upbeat song about somebody who, you know,

singing about it.

814

00:51:14,336 --> 00:51:19,698

But when you put it in a different key, it almost makes it sound like, man, did she die?

815

00:51:19,698 --> 00:51:21,418

Is he pining for her?

816

00:51:21,418 --> 00:51:22,808

You know, did she break up with him?

817

00:51:22,808 --> 00:51:23,709

Did she die?

818

00:51:23,709 --> 00:51:32,201

You know, like you can do all these things, you know, like even the song, you are my

sunshine, my only sunshine.

819

00:51:32,201 --> 00:51:33,101

That.

820

00:51:33,263 --> 00:51:39,368

Everyone knows that part, you make me happy when the sky's gray, but when you look at the

verses, those verses are dark as fuck.

821

00:51:39,368 --> 00:51:40,253

yeah.

822

00:51:40,355 --> 00:51:41,068

yeah.

823

00:51:41,249 --> 00:51:46,324

And they're a little disturbing because everyone, anyone is looking at, just go look up

the lyrics.

824

00:51:46,324 --> 00:51:49,821

We're not going to take the time to do that here, but go look up those lyrics.

825

00:51:49,821 --> 00:51:58,521

uh I had an assignment for one of my comp students years ago and I actually took that song

and I was just like, take it and put it in minor, but use the harmonic minor or like the

826

00:51:58,521 --> 00:51:59,342

classical minor, right?

827

00:51:59,342 --> 00:52:01,235

Where you hit that major five.

828

00:52:01,235 --> 00:52:04,898

And I'm just like, if you do that, it sounds like a stalker song.

829

00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:08,333

If you do that, it can change the context completely.

830

00:52:08,333 --> 00:52:09,073

with all these songs.

831

00:52:09,073 --> 00:52:14,927

And it's fun, you know, and every week I'm even at my gigs, I'm like playing songs and I'm

like, and I can write that down.

832

00:52:14,927 --> 00:52:16,968

I'll say, you know, hey, S.I.R.

833

00:52:16,968 --> 00:52:24,712

I don't want to say my phone will go out, you know, uh you know, remind me to do this, you

know, and it's fun.

834

00:52:24,712 --> 00:52:33,287

It pushes my creativity, but it also pushes my creativity not to do stuff like that, but

it pushes me in the different realms so that when I start writing my own music, which I,

835

00:52:33,287 --> 00:52:34,107

you know, I'm

836

00:52:34,107 --> 00:52:37,918

getting ready to record another solo record, which I haven't done in number of years.

837

00:52:37,918 --> 00:52:42,268

I've been concentrating on other things, but I really got creative over the past year.

838

00:52:42,268 --> 00:52:48,753

It's like, I took all those skills that I've had in the past five years and all these new

perspectives on music.

839

00:52:48,753 --> 00:52:52,884

And then that jumps over into your creativity, into your own stuff.

840

00:52:53,265 --> 00:52:55,946

You know, so it's, it's always a journey.

841

00:52:55,946 --> 00:53:03,249

as a musician, I'm telling everybody, go, man, that's why, know, man, wish Metallica

sounded like fucking kill them all.

842

00:53:03,249 --> 00:53:03,697

Like,

843

00:53:03,697 --> 00:53:07,937

They suck after, you know, the, you know, after Cliff died and blah, blah, blah.

844

00:53:07,937 --> 00:53:08,757

And they always say that.

845

00:53:08,757 --> 00:53:12,117

I'm just like, man, let's, let's go back 30 years.

846

00:53:12,117 --> 00:53:15,177

Are you dating the same person that you were 30 years ago?

847

00:53:15,177 --> 00:53:15,477

No.

848

00:53:15,477 --> 00:53:18,637

Are you working the same job that you worked fucking 30 years ago?

849

00:53:18,637 --> 00:53:19,337

How much do you wait?

850

00:53:19,337 --> 00:53:20,857

You wear the same fucking clothes.

851

00:53:20,857 --> 00:53:23,657

Let's talk about all the things that are different in your fucking life.

852

00:53:23,657 --> 00:53:25,297

I couldn't imagine being with that girl.

853

00:53:25,297 --> 00:53:27,757

That fucking girl sucked and you know, blah, blah, blah.

854

00:53:27,757 --> 00:53:31,889

And I was like, yeah, like, but do you want to, you know, like.

855

00:53:31,889 --> 00:53:41,649

As a musician, you're always wanting to push the boundaries of your talent and maybe you

have more talent than just going, know, Metallica, those guys had more talent than just

856

00:53:41,649 --> 00:53:42,549

being a thrash band.

857

00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:45,089

They had the ability like, hey, we can be a Southern rock band.

858

00:53:45,089 --> 00:53:46,669

And they had all those influences.

859

00:53:46,669 --> 00:53:52,769

And honestly, if they didn't make the black record, they would have never been any bigger

than Megadeth Slayer.

860

00:53:52,769 --> 00:53:54,969

They all would have been stated in that same thing.

861

00:53:54,969 --> 00:54:00,729

But because Metallica made the black record and pushed metal into the fucking mainstream,

really.

862

00:54:00,729 --> 00:54:04,351

Metal never was mainstream until Metallica put that out.

863

00:54:04,351 --> 00:54:10,134

And once they did, it lifted everything up and then everyone got Megadeth, Slayer, all

those other bands got it.

864

00:54:10,134 --> 00:54:13,976

So anybody is like, well, they sucked after Cliff died.

865

00:54:13,976 --> 00:54:15,977

And so I'm like, just shut the fuck up.

866

00:54:15,977 --> 00:54:19,799

Because Metallica is like literally not just the biggest metal band of all time.

867

00:54:19,799 --> 00:54:23,698

They're one of the biggest bands of all time.

868

00:54:23,698 --> 00:54:27,481

and to think about that too, with James Hetfield turns around and he tells the story all

the time.

869

00:54:27,481 --> 00:54:29,503

He's like, man, I nothing else matters.

870

00:54:29,503 --> 00:54:33,686

And I thought I was going to show it to Lars and he was like, man, that's not what we do.

871

00:54:33,686 --> 00:54:35,778

And Lars was like, dude, that's dope.

872

00:54:35,778 --> 00:54:37,089

Let's keep going with it.

873

00:54:37,089 --> 00:54:42,353

Like it also takes another person who's open-minded on that to be like, Hey, let's rock

and roll.

874

00:54:42,353 --> 00:54:42,853

know.

875

00:54:42,853 --> 00:54:46,385

that's what is, I think it goes back to where we initially talking is these covers.

876

00:54:46,385 --> 00:54:48,737

It's just like, I just like doing different things.

877

00:54:48,737 --> 00:54:53,920

And it's a way to really one, you know, I get the clicks and the views and all that stuff.

878

00:54:53,920 --> 00:55:02,576

And that's not so much important, but it's really built my brand, my ability and like up

on my whiteboard, because now that I'm doing, you know, like more session work here at

879

00:55:02,576 --> 00:55:06,668

home, I got to the point where I just, I'm like, I don't want to go out and play piano,

man.

880

00:55:06,698 --> 00:55:09,899

and don't stop believing a million times anymore.

881

00:55:09,899 --> 00:55:10,909

Like I'm more than that.

882

00:55:10,909 --> 00:55:16,042

Like lean into the 30 years of experience that you have and start becoming a session

musician.

883

00:55:16,042 --> 00:55:19,393

And now becoming a session musician is easier than ever.

884

00:55:19,393 --> 00:55:23,135

It's more competitive than ever because now you're competing with the entire world.

885

00:55:23,135 --> 00:55:30,348

But you have the ability once you build that niche to be able to, um I can do anything

here.

886

00:55:30,348 --> 00:55:33,129

I don't have to like, my God, we need you for a session in Nashville.

887

00:55:33,129 --> 00:55:34,870

Can you get on a plane tomorrow?

888

00:55:34,926 --> 00:55:37,137

and I get down there and you'd have to be in the studio.

889

00:55:37,137 --> 00:55:50,193

Now, at least what I do, I mean, got my SM7B, I got my other modeling microphone, I got a

couple of different microphones depending on what I need to use, and I have ProLogic and I

890

00:55:50,193 --> 00:55:51,524

just do everything here.

891

00:55:51,524 --> 00:55:55,655

And my whiteboard's got three projects I gotta work on, one of them will start today.

892

00:55:55,655 --> 00:56:01,145

And that's where it is, just being creative, but I love being.

893

00:56:01,145 --> 00:56:02,167

too with the whiteboard.

894

00:56:02,167 --> 00:56:03,258

That's awesome.

895

00:56:03,269 --> 00:56:08,615

have to, I gotta look up there and see what's going on and then another calendar over here

of what's going on in the real world.

896

00:56:08,615 --> 00:56:13,762

So here's studio world, here's real world, you know, but yeah, it's social media.

897

00:56:13,762 --> 00:56:17,616

So, all right, so what's the big, we gotta do these big things before we wrap up.

898

00:56:17,616 --> 00:56:18,039

What are the?

899

00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:18,430

know what?

900

00:56:18,430 --> 00:56:23,064

I want to respect your time, so we'll invite you back on to do those also at another time.

901

00:56:23,064 --> 00:56:27,668

I do have one more question for you, and this is, you don't have to do this if you don't

want to.

902

00:56:27,668 --> 00:56:29,649

This is just the fanboy in me.

903

00:56:29,649 --> 00:56:36,795

And I hit you with my rendition earlier in the episode here of me doing your name with the

big show.

904

00:56:36,795 --> 00:56:41,199

Do you think that you might be able to hit one for us here with my name?

905

00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:43,457

You could say no, that's totally cool.

906

00:56:43,457 --> 00:56:43,968

do that.

907

00:56:43,968 --> 00:56:44,299

What?

908

00:56:44,299 --> 00:56:46,004

So how do you want me to do it?

909

00:56:46,004 --> 00:56:47,685

Well, it's the...

910

00:56:47,685 --> 00:56:56,707

You could, you could even just say John Kiernan on that, you know, cause it's ropes and

riffs, or you could say, it's ropes and riffs or well, it's John Kiernan.

911

00:56:57,155 --> 00:56:59,756

Well, it's ropes and ribs.

912

00:57:00,078 --> 00:57:06,515

Ropes and ribs.

913

00:57:06,515 --> 00:57:09,087

I got Kiernan.

914

00:57:09,087 --> 00:57:09,598

Kiernan.

915

00:57:09,598 --> 00:57:10,338

John Kiernan.

916

00:57:10,338 --> 00:57:11,049

I think I got it.

917

00:57:11,049 --> 00:57:11,849

Ready?

918

00:57:12,615 --> 00:57:16,755

Where, where is John Kiernan?

919

00:57:16,755 --> 00:57:20,258

And we're here on ropes and ribs.

920

00:57:21,135 --> 00:57:27,288

It's John Kiernan and we'll hear our ropes and riffs.

921

00:57:27,288 --> 00:57:32,678

Get ready for something that you'll never know.

922

00:57:32,678 --> 00:57:33,290

oh

923

00:57:33,290 --> 00:57:34,491

There you go.

924

00:57:34,491 --> 00:57:36,470

That was my riffs,

925

00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:37,562

thank you.

926

00:57:37,562 --> 00:57:39,154

my God, that's crazy.

927

00:57:39,154 --> 00:57:43,801

Second, how you just blast that out, no prep, anything.

928

00:57:43,801 --> 00:57:46,390

It was just like, perfect, ugh.

929

00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:49,450

Yeah, well, there's so many times someone's like, can you do that?

930

00:57:49,450 --> 00:57:53,430

You know, they come up to me at a gig and I'm just like, you know, sometimes every once in

a while I got it.

931

00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:55,230

I was in another key of the other song.

932

00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:58,570

So every once in a while I'm like, you know, my head, I'm going on the piano.

933

00:57:58,570 --> 00:57:59,350

Where's the note?

934

00:57:59,350 --> 00:58:00,050

Where's the note?

935

00:58:00,050 --> 00:58:00,356

So.

936

00:58:00,356 --> 00:58:02,884

gotta have a tip jar out when you're doing all these cover gigs.

937

00:58:02,884 --> 00:58:05,802

You're like, tip this much for whale.

938

00:58:05,842 --> 00:58:07,162

well I do that with piano man.

939

00:58:07,162 --> 00:58:11,022

Like sometimes someone comes up and I have a little sign that says piano man's 50 bucks

tonight.

940

00:58:11,022 --> 00:58:12,902

Piano man's 100 bucks tonight.

941

00:58:13,181 --> 00:58:18,502

You know, if you want a well, you know it's 10 bucks, you know, so.

942

00:58:19,082 --> 00:58:27,855

But it's fun and then sometimes people just kind of, I've been hired to just go to a

wedding just to do that.

943

00:58:27,855 --> 00:58:29,878

That's awesome!

944

00:58:29,878 --> 00:58:31,879

Can you do this to introduce us?

945

00:58:31,879 --> 00:58:33,409

Like we're gonna do the bridal parting.

946

00:58:33,409 --> 00:58:39,321

Can you just come out and we're, and then the song kicks in and like, we actually have the

fucking guy here, you know?

947

00:58:39,321 --> 00:58:46,363

So, and I've had, I think there's a gas and heating place in Charlotte, North Carolina.

948

00:58:46,363 --> 00:58:51,725

And I did a version for them and they were using it for their like jingle for couple of

years.

949

00:58:51,905 --> 00:58:53,856

Like I did a parody of it, you know?

950

00:58:53,856 --> 00:58:54,626

So.

951

00:58:54,626 --> 00:58:55,398

I love that.

952

00:58:55,398 --> 00:58:59,938

Your legacy precedes you in all these different places in wrestling and music and all

that.

953

00:58:59,938 --> 00:59:03,198

in a while I just forget that I do it and every once in a while I'm like, oh, I don't want

to brag about it.

954

00:59:03,198 --> 00:59:04,638

But I'm like, fuck that.

955

00:59:04,638 --> 00:59:05,578

This is awesome.

956

00:59:05,578 --> 00:59:07,628

I'm bragging about it, you know, so.

957

00:59:07,628 --> 00:59:09,972

also in like musical context or shows like this.

958

00:59:09,972 --> 00:59:16,454

It's not like you go to the grocery store and you're with the eggs and they're like, hey

man, like right here by the eggs, you're like, dude, are you serious?

959

00:59:16,454 --> 00:59:17,359

What are we doing?

960

00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:21,885

dude, now that you've put that out into the universe, it's going to, now that's going to

happen.

961

00:59:21,885 --> 00:59:24,708

And when it does, I'm to be like, all right, I'll do it.

962

00:59:24,708 --> 00:59:35,023

But I got to, we got to record it because my voice is so big and inside of a grocery

store, if I do that at full volume, it's going to scare the shit out of people, you know?

963

00:59:35,023 --> 00:59:39,355

the shit out of half the people and the other half are gonna be like, it's the dude that

did the thing!

964

00:59:39,355 --> 00:59:39,776

go!

965

00:59:39,776 --> 00:59:40,720

buy the eggs!

966

00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:45,712

to come over and like, you know, like leg drop the buns, you know, and the bread section.

967

00:59:45,712 --> 00:59:49,083

You know, I'm like, let let pure chaos happen at that point.

968

00:59:49,083 --> 00:59:53,975

But yeah, let's schedule for me to come back and we'll do the more of the wrestling side

of things.

969

00:59:53,975 --> 00:59:56,025

I have to figure out what the hell's going on with my computer.

970

00:59:56,025 --> 00:59:59,663

I to call my computer guy because I got to hit this thing working on.

971

00:59:59,663 --> 01:00:01,657

Fuck, you know, stuff.

972

01:00:01,858 --> 01:00:03,939

All right, I know.

973

01:00:03,939 --> 01:00:04,839

Appreciate you, man.

974

01:00:04,839 --> 01:00:05,818

We'll talk soon.